Confirmed Trade: [NYR/ANA] Chris Kreider and 2025 4th for Carey Terrance and 2025 3rd

[CDJ]

Eh. As much as I want him out for locker room reasons, I dont thinks he's cooked yet.

Back spasms reported early in the season and we just found out recently he was playing with a lower arm injury.

I'd bet he bounces back. Its just a matter of motivation. Physically he's still a top 6 winger on most teams. Spasms can be dealt with good PT and time off. The arm thing same. I belive his drive to compete was more emotional baggage than pain.

It can be a win/win.
It could be a loss if the prospect is a nobody AHL body and the pick is low.

I dont see "cap dump" as equal value for him.

Well that’s exactly it- he’s 34 and breaking down from years of playing the style he’s played. The wear and tear takes a toll on a players performance.

 

[Tawnos]

Not exactly cheap. Most teams would get value back for taking a contact like Kreiders. Kreider and his contract are a net negative and the Ducks are giving up assets for him.

It's absolutely cheap. Teams only get value back for taking on a contract when they don't really want the player. When there are multiple teams who want a player, there's going to be positive value being offered. That's what happened with Trouba. That's what's happening with Kreider.

 

[TGWL]

Kreider played last season hurt. I don't really look at the 8 assist, where many came in the last 10 or so game, and think this player is cooked because of the lower number. The team was awful. The powerplay was awful. My fear with Kreider would be him playing the final 2 seasons injured so what you see now is what you get. If he's healthy, I think we're going to see a better season from him. Close to 50 goals? No. Close to 70 points? Probably not. But at least a useful player, unlike last season.

 

[FiveTacos]

It's absolutely cheap. Teams only get value back for taking on a contract when they don't really want the player. When there are multiple teams who want a player, there's going to be positive value being offered. That's what happened with Trouba. That's what's happening with Kreider.

People here seem to overestimate "negative value" as term decreases. By the time a guy is down to a year or two, AAV is not a big issue, and the need to attach sweeteners disappears, it just becomes more about how little needs to go the other way to make it acceptable. Many, many teams can easily absorb a 6+ AAV for a year or two no problem.

 

[Kupo]

NHL needs to look into these awful full cap deals ANA is making to bail out the Rags. Total BS.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

so is Anaheim like the NYR glue factory now? Where they put all their old horses “out to pasture”

Someone had to fill the void that Arizona left (RIP)

 

[Boud]

This is virtually a cap dump for the Rangers and the Ducks get a veteran to shelter some of their younger guys and hope that Kreider can get some of his mojo back. One season removed from a 30 goal 70 point season. It’s a decent bet to take for a team that has a hard time attracting UFAs. The cost will be low… assume a mid-round pick and a throw in prospect.

At the very least Kreider has a play style that allows him to be a useful player even if he’s not putting up points. I could see him turn things around and at least be a useful player.

 

[bigdog16]

It's absolutely cheap. Teams only get value back for taking on a contract when they don't really want the player. When there are multiple teams who want a player, there's going to be positive value being offered. That's what happened with Trouba. That's what's happening with Kreider.

You are substantially overestimating the ability of a 34 year old Chris Kreider well past his prime. You keep saying there were multiple suitors for Trouba and Kreider, you have no idea if this is true and even if so, it still doesn’t take away the fact that both moves are horrible from the Ducks perspective. These are 2 bad hockey players collectively making 14 million this season. And you gave up assets for them.

 

[thebeernerd]

NHL needs to look into these awful full cap deals ANA is making to bail out the Rags. Total BS.

It's annoying, no doubt, but it sure as hell hasn't done the Rangers much good. At the end of the day, Drury still sucks as GM and culture setter.

 

[AirGut]

So now that it's essentially nothing in return to the Rangers HFB can go back to predicting Kreider back on a 50 goal pace!
From a broken washed player with "negative value", back to a grizzled veteran who can score 30 because he's off the Rangers!

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

So now that it's essentially nothing in return to the Rangers HFB can go back to predicting Kreider back on a 50 goal pace!
From a broken washed player with "negative value", back to a grizzled veteran who can score 30 because he's off the Rangers!

man nobody cares about the Rangers like that lol

weird victim complex. Kreider stinks no matter what team he plays for.

 

[TheNewEra]

So now that it's essentially nothing in return to the Rangers HFB can go back to predicting Kreider back on a 50 goal pace!
From a broken washed player with "negative value", back to a grizzled veteran who can score 30 because he's off the Rangers!

i think 40-45 points would be a solid win considering kreiders age and past players that played similar styles breaking down earlier

 

[Tawnos]

You are substantially overestimating the ability of a 34 year old Chris Kreider well past his prime. You keep saying there were multiple suitors for Trouba and Kreider, you have no idea if this is true and even if so, it still doesn’t take away the fact that both moves are horrible from the Ducks perspective. These are 2 bad hockey players collectively making 14 million this season. And you gave up assets for them.

Trouba was given the option of going to Columbus or Anaheim, so we do 100% know that there were multiple suitors for him. You're right that I don't know this for sure about Kreider, but looking at the way GMs in this league think I would be surprised if Verbeek were the only one interested.

It doesn't matter what you or I think of the player.

 

[Sendhelp2Anaheim]

He played the entire season 19, he just turned 20 last month.

He was also injured for 1/3 of the season so that explains why he wasnt top 5.

I think Terrance can become a solid bottom 6 winger that can kill penalties at best.

 

[FiveTacos]

You are substantially overestimating the ability of a 34 year old Chris Kreider well past his prime. You keep saying there were multiple suitors for Trouba and Kreider, you have no idea if this is true

Actually we know Detroit was in on Trouba through the aborted trade, and at least one other cap floor team was as well due to the waiver threat and Trouba not wanting to relocate to Columbus.

and even if so, it still doesn’t take away the fact that both moves are horrible from the Ducks perspective. These are 2 bad hockey players collectively making 14 million this season. And you gave up assets for them.

14m AAV, but several million less in real dollars. For a team that had well over 30m in cap space, and only two significant players to re-sign this summer, plus another nearly 30m coming off the books in the next two years, that's nothing. Gudas will likely be gone by TDL, Gibson possibly too, which would all but cancel out the $.

Not sure anyone would consider Vaaks, Terrance, nor a 4th rounder to be significant assets either. 2 guys unlikely to be on the team going forward, and it's not like you're gonna flip a 4th into an impact player.

 

[AirGut]

i think 40-45 points would be a solid win considering kreiders age and past players that played similar styles breaking down earlier

Anaheim is the perfect spot for him imo. That franchise is about ready to breakthrough into the playoffs and getting a little bit older will help them more than hurt.
Plus he gets to spend time with some old war buddies in Cali like Strome/Vatrano/Trouba/Goodrow.

 

[TheNewEra]

Anaheim is the perfect spot for him imo. That franchise is about ready to breakthrough into the playoffs and getting a little bit older will help them more than hurt.
Plus he gets to spend time with some old war buddies in Cali like Strome/Vatrano/Trouba/Goodrow.

probably right to be honest, it was either anaheim or columbus if he was to be moved

objectively its annoying that anaheim is bailing out drury for next to nothing (sens had hamonic all last year smh) and allowing drury the opportunity to make future mistakes. Because while i do think Kreider will bounce back a bit at the same time a 6.5 million dollar forward coming off a 30-35 point season should not be something you give assets for

 

[Tawnos]

Actually we know Detroit was in on Trouba through the aborted trade, and at least one other cap floor team was as well due to the waiver threat and Trouba not wanting to relocate to Columbus.



14m AAV, but several million less in real dollars. For a team that had well over 30m in cap space, and only two significant players to re-sign this summer, plus another nearly 30m coming off the books in the next two years, that's nothing. Gudas will likely be gone by TDL, Gibson possibly too, which would all but cancel out the $.

Not sure anyone would consider Vaaks, Terrance, nor a 4th rounder to be significant assets either. 2 guys unlikely to be on the team going forward, and it's not like you're gonna flip a 4th into an impact player.

The only real question is what the pick in the Kreider trade looks like, because the reports were "pick and a prospect" and then "the prospect is likely Terrance"

I'm not expecting a lot.

 

[Lion Hound]

Probably one of the only NYR fans that want to see him finish out here in NY. After Sullivan came in I was thinking the Rangers would hang onto him. Sullivan likes to run his horses. A healthy Kreider is a player that fits well in that system. I guess the drama though created from the Drury trade talks last season is going to factor heavy moving forward. That and the abysmal season this team had.

Personally, i don't think this player is cooked at all. I think the Injury hampered him significantly this season. He's a player who works really hard to stay in shape, and likely will get back into game shape this off season.

#20 has always been able to score big goals.
#20 was always a core member of the team.
#20 was always a leader on the ice.
#20 was always an exceptional skater.
#20 was always a highly cerebral player

Theres just too many positives there, to say that one bad season breaks a player. If he goes to Anaheim in a deal I think the Ducks are getting a really good player. His contract isn't bad at all for a player who averaged 34 Goals per season over the past 3 years. That number increases if you took out last season. Prior 3 years he averaged 42.6 goals.

 

[HonestGabe]

The only real question is what the pick in the Kreider trade looks like, because the reports were "pick and a prospect" and then "the prospect is likely Terrance"

I'm not expecting a lot.

I think the pick is going to be a conditional 3rd that becomes a 2nd if the Ducks make the playoffs or something like that. Terrance is a better prospect than people here are giving him credit for. He's probably a Sykora/Berard level prospect with legitimate NHL upside but likely never anything more than a middle 6 C.

I think his floor is a 4C with special teams ability. I liked his game at the WJC.

 

[Koivu11]

 

[WhyVerbeekWhy]

He should definitely help the special teams out if he indeed becomes a Duck. I mean, he scored more SHG than the entire Ducks roster last season and would have tied McTavish for most PP goals, in less games. On a bad Rangers team and with his "bad back".

 

[Petes2424]

You must've missed the reports today that Dallas is looking to trade Robertson to clear cap to sign Granlund

Also, Anaheim would obviously retain on Kreider in this scenario

Think it’s safe to say Friedman was talking out of his backside when he said this. The ONLY way they’d be trading a core, youngster for cap space to resign a 35 year old secondary forward, is if they received already proven assets still on an ELC. Even then, it only buys a year or so.

It’s much more believable, Dallas is trying to use Robertson to retool the roster, after 3 straight WCF loses. Using his AAV for a high-end RHD to try loading up on the backend. If they added another high-end Dman to Harley and Heiskanen, they’d have a much better shot getting through a loaded Western Conference.. To do so, they might have to add to Robertson in any trade, but that’s much more believable. You just don’t trade proven young pieces for cap space to sign 35 year olds. So everyone thinking they’re getting Robertson for picks and unproven prospects, it’s not happening.

 

[StreetHawk]

Theres just too many positives there, to say that one bad season breaks a player. If he goes to Anaheim in a deal I think the Ducks are getting a really good player. His contract isn't bad at all for a player who averaged 34 Goals per season over the past 3 years. That number increases if you took out last season. Prior 3 years he averaged 42.6 goals.

Verbeek is an old school guy. So, he wants some vets to go with the kids coming in. Kreider, he's not what he was, but at this stage of where the Ducks are, they don't want to anchor themselves to another Killorn type contract for 4 years at this stage of their progression, as soon they will need the cap space soon, but not right now. Thus, the 2 years left on Kreider works for them, vs aiming to go out in free agency and convince someone to sign with you for just 2 years. You are either paying via money or term in free agency.

 

[AirGut]

oooooooo boy