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An injury to the San Jose Sharks' Tomas Hertl, an early season favorite for the Calder Trophy, has widened the race for the NHL's top rookie prize, with New York Rangers forward Chris Kreider jumping into the top spot in the Hockey's Future Calder Poll for December.



Dallas Stars' 18-year-old Valeri Nichushkin is emerging as a  top contender, making his debut in our poll at the number two spot.

As they did a month ago, injuries once again shuffled the order of the top contenders this month. Hertl (knee injury) and Dan DeKeyser (separated shoulder) both missed significant time.… read more



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I don't know. I think Kreider's going to be hurt by the fact that he's played in 49 NHL games prior to this season, even if the voters won't say it.
 
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I don't know. I think Kreider's going to be hurt by the fact that he's played in 49 NHL games prior to this season, even if the voters won't say it.
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I agree that it'll hurt him in the voting, but personally I agree that it should hurt him and he is also an older rookie.
 
Surprised MacKinnon isn't ahead of him.

Kid netted his 15th tonight
 
I think that what may also hurt Kreider is that he's being protected with the sifts he's being given.

On a team that has 2 + players, and Kreider being the ONLY one at +10 it would seem logical that he's getting sheltered minutes.

Late in the Hawks game he was sat in favor of other players.

I like him, think he's as much a reason we have managed to stay competitive through December as anyone, but I think big picture, there are still defensive holes in his game that will have a negative impact on the Calder voting. And that is compounded when the 49 games of prior pro experience comes into the picture.

Would love to see it, but I don't think it happens.

My money in on Nate running away with this. Kid started quick, faded and is now back to being a presence every night. 9 pts in last 10 games and you can tell that he's starting to better figure out how to play in the NHL
 
Gardner McKay said:
When they look at our team and how much Kreider has contributed to such an anemic offense, he should be given the award unanimously :laugh:
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Also kreider does the other things that most players wont do. Like using the body(he is one of the leaders in hits). I think what hurts Kreider is that he doesnt havea really good passer on his line. If he was still playing with Zucc he might have double teh amount of goals that he has now
 
NYRangers723 said:
Also kreider does the other things that most players wont do. Like using the body(he is one of the leaders in hits). I think what hurts Kreider is that he doesnt havea really good passer on his line. If he was still playing with Zucc he might have double teh amount of goals that he has now
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Stepan is a very good passer.
 
I posted this on the main board, but figured I'd add it here, too.

silverfish said:
(As a Rangers fan, I'm going to try and be as objective and fact-based as possible)

I certainly do not disagree with you. I think the main thing that will work against Kreider is the fact that he's older, and despite still being considered a rookie, had played in 49 NHL games prior to this season (including playoff games, which do not count in Calder consideration).

Not to mention he's quite a bit older than MacKinnon.

So as it stands now, in 5 less games, Kreider has 4 less points. Kreider also has the +/- stat by 5. This of course comes from missing a few games early in the season where the Rangers were absolutely dominated (Oh, Marty :( ).

Then there is the advanced stats, but I don't know how meaningful they are in regards to this selection.

Kreider has 37% O zone starts, and a positive relative corsi of 3.7% (5 on 5, not close or tied). MacKinnon Has 34% O zone starts, and a negative relative corsi of -1.5% (5 on 5, not close or tied). So you can take this to mean that when Kreider's line is on the ice, they are generating more chances relative to the rest of the New York Rangers than MacKinnon's line. Is this all Kreider or MacKinnon? Of course not, but the statistic is there.

In all situations 5 on 5, Kreider's relative corsi is +10.6%, second on the Rangers to Brad Richards. While MacKinnon's is +6.8%, near the middle of the pact when it comes to Avs players.

This coming on the basis that the Rangers are a HORRIBLE team 5 on 5 this season. Kreider's line is always making noise, and it comes with the success of CK.

So, I think if it came down to it, all said and done, CK and MacK having the same or similar point totals, the award is going to go (rightfully so) to MacKinnon. And while they are both tearing it up at the moment, I think MacKinnon's play has a higher chance of tailing off than Kredier's, who I believe will say more consistent, because Kreider does have that extra experience in the NHL.

Anyway, I'm biased. I'd love nothing more than to see a Rangers player take home the Calder. But I think I made a decent enough argument here.
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Gardner McKay said:
When they look at our team and how much Kreider has contributed to such an anemic offense, he should be given the award unanimously :laugh:
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I think that's what won Huberdeau the award last year. Even though it's not something voters admit to considering, it is there. When a rookie carries a team, they get bonus points. But those bonus points negate Kreider being 22 with minimal NHL experience, which will hurt him in the voting.
 
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