Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Lindberg Cheese]

The handling of this situation by the club hurts the club.

Not by the club but by those which the club employed to run things. They can be let go as well as we saw a few months ago.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If the exit interview went as bad as reported, not sure how you bring him back, and think he was going to be fine with the demotion to Hartford. Should have traded him over the summer before the entire league knew how bad it was.

Bingo

Have some foresight and get out ahead of things before it becomes a bigger issue

 

[Bruisebros2426]

Is this more of a situation of management not willing to play their best players because some players are thought of as better fits on the 4th line, or does this guy really not belong on the roster? Genuine question as someone who hasn't watched enough preseason to know

 

[Edge]

You know the Rangers have f***ed up when even ultimate hard ass Rick Carpinello thinks they played this situation wrong

The thing for me is that we can describe VK however we want. At the end of the day, the Rangers not only knew what they were dealing with, but were also well aware of what happened last time things went south --- with the same damn player!

And since this story first broke, the rest of the fandom has gotten a glimpse of just how much this team actually knew and how much they should've been aware/concerned/prepared for this type of situation.

The reality is that you can make an argument for sending Kravtsov down, and you can make an argument for keeping him. Let's not kid ourselves about what we saw from Hunt or Gauthier either. Shit, we'd be right back to quotes about intentions again.

But beyond all of that, based on literally every interaction from the past year, how do you not have a better plan in place for the possibility that something like this happens? It's not like we were blindsided.

It's not like Adam Fox demanded a trade from the team and we were all caught wondering what went wrong.

 

[Levitate]

Well, when shit got this bad, I would've have a very clear understanding of what both parties were and were not willing to do if we got to this point. If we can't arrive at an agreement, then it's time to pursue something else. There were options out there for sure.

At this point, it's quite obvious that this wasn't going to be VK's forever home and that a move was probably inevitable at some point. So you try to maximize the value as best you can.

Looking at the current roster, I wouldn't have handed Kravtsov anything. But coming off an injury, and having shown something in the limited time he got, I personally would not have sent him to Hartford. I would've seen how Kreider looks at RW, I would've seen if Gauthier can clear the fence rather than hit the warning track, and I would've given Reaves his time to recover.

If taking that chance meant exposing Hajek or Hunt to waivers, that's the cost of that approach. If it became apparent Gauthier was here to stay and Kreider was sticking at RW, then you go back to having other deals potentially lined up.

But I think this particular exit on the freeway could've been different, even if the end result is still Kravtsov going elsewhere.

There's ways we can do things differently to at least increase the odds of better results. Not always ideal results. Not always great results. But at least giving us a shot for something better, if not avoiding the outcome of making things that much more difficult.

How much of it is the Rangers being fed up with his shit? How far back does the conflict go and how much has gone on before this point and at what point does the team say "enough, we're not going to dick around appeasing you any more".

Of course then that means maybe they should have traded him over the summer, maybe they tried to and the deals didn't work out, but then again when he's back in camp demanding top six minutes after bitching about not getting them in a 20 game stint last year and getting in a fight about training at exit interviews, just how far do you keep going try to salvage the situation.

but whatever the case, even if the Rangers are 100% innocent, it's a big blow and a situation that must be fixed with this team and front office. Can't keep bleeding talent like that and making draft/development mistakes

 

[duhmetreE]

The thing for me is that we can describe VK however we want. At the end of the day, the Rangers not only knew what they were dealing with, but were also well aware of what happened last time things went south --- with the same damn player!

And since this story first broke, the rest of the fandom has gotten a glimpse of just how much this team actually knew and how much they should've been aware/concerns/prepared for this type of situation.

The reality is that you can make an argument for sending Kravtsov down, and you can make an argument for keeping him. Let's not kid ourselves about what we saw from Hunt or Gauthier either. Shit, we'd be right back to quotes about intentions again.

But beyond all of that, based on literally every interaction from the past year, how do you not have a better plan in place for the possibility that something like this happens? It's not like we were blindsided.

It's not like Adam Fox demanded a trade from the team and we were all caught wondering what went wrong.

I don't see the outcome any different if he was the 13th forward or on the 4th line. He's entitled. His expectations were probably top6.

If we can get another prospect out of this, even if we add, I'll take it as a major win. Doubt Turcotte is possible.. Maybe a 2 for 1? Hayton makes sense. Let VK enjoy his top6 minutes in the dying desert

 

[Fitzy]

Kind of seems like we tried to call Kravtsov's bluff when he wasn't bluffing.

That's an L for us, but maybe we can still get something in a deal.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Does Kravtsov have a European assignment clause in this contract for this season? He would have bolted for Russia last night. The Rangers should let him cool his jets at home. No hockey for him this season. No KHL loan

That would be incredibly stupid so let’s hope they don’t do that

He wasn't a KHL phenom as one of the Rangers bloggers wrote on twitter today. He was not Kaprizov.

And this is not the insult you’re trying to make it be lol

oh, he wasn’t arguably the best U25 player to ever come out of the KHL? Shocker

Doesn’t change the fact that Kravstov is still in the top 10 for U21 scoring in KHL history.

But he wasn’t arguably the best there was, so let’s tear him down

 

[Levitate]

You know the Rangers have f***ed up when even ultimate hard ass Rick Carpinello thinks they played this situation wrong

I think my point is maybe the Rangers have coddled him up to this point and just got tired of it

but yeah I guess trading him before this point would have been better. wouldn't be surprised if they had been trying

 

[SML2]

His neck is fine. Above that, not so sure.

Maybe we can get him to leave a few vertebrae as a condition of an Eichel Deal. Kids neck is like 2 feet long.

 

[will1066]

What about Reaves spending time with him on honing his fight game? Seems like things were ok? Maybe Reaves was playing emissary and trying to salvage him on behalf of the organization?

 

[Thirty One]

What about Reaves spending time with him on honing his fight game? Seems like things were ok? Maybe Reaves was playing emissary and trying to salvage him on behalf of the organization?

He asked Reaves to teach him how to fight because he wanted to beat up Gallant. Don't blame Reaves, he didn't know his intentions.

 

[Edge]

How much of it is the Rangers being fed up with his shit? How far back does the conflict go and how much has gone on before this point and at what point does the team say "enough, we're not going to dick around appeasing you any more".

Of course then that means maybe they should have traded him over the summer, maybe they tried to and the deals didn't work out, but then again when he's back in camp demanding top six minutes after bitching about not getting them in a 20 game stint last year and getting in a fight about training at exit interviews, just how far do you keep going try to salvage the situation.

but whatever the case, even if the Rangers are 100% innocent, it's a big blow and a situation that must be fixed with this team and front office. Can't keep bleeding talent like that and making draft/development mistakes

I think the second paragraph is your answer right there. The guy already had a conflict. You can't assume anything after that. You can't guess. You can't hope. You have to have a clear understanding.

And if there isn't an agreement, then you move on.

Not because of a player's feelings, but because you have next to nothing to gain from a business standpoint, and the possibility of losing even more.

At some point the salvage mission simply becomes a parting of the ways.

The challenge that the Rangers have, under Gorton and Drury, is that they actually have instances where their insistence on sticking with a volatile situation to get better "value" ended up blowing up in their faces and resulting in either less value or the probability of getting less value.

The issue wasn't not being able to move ADA before he got himself in trouble. The issue was knowing he was always teetering on that brink and not moving him when you (the Rangers) had the chance. Even if that meant not getting a pipe dream return.

The issue wasn't sending Andersson out for a second round pick, it was putting yourself behind the 8-ball with behind the scenes stuff and just assuming it was going to go away.

The issue wasn't VK throwing a temper tantrum, it's the literal warning shots fired in your direction when he walked away the first time and when you sat down with him at the end of last season.

It's not moving Georgiev because you didn't have the exact value you wanted. Now you're looking at a severely reduced price tag.

In every instance it's gambling on situations where there's not really good odds to win the game. Essentially we're chasing hands in poker.

If going back to the KHL was strike one, the exit interview has to be strike two. Do you really tempt the fates for strike three?

 

[Edge]

I don't see the outcome any different if he was the 13th forward or on the 4th line. He's entitled. His expectations were probably top6.

If we can get another prospect out of this, even if we add, I'll take it as a major win. Doubt Turcotte is possible.. Maybe a 2 for 1? Hayton makes sense. Let VK enjoy his top6 minutes in the dying desert

In this case I'm only interested in the outcome for the Rangers.

There have been too many times we've arrived at what almost feels like the inevitable, without a better plan in place.

 

[will1066]

I think the second paragraph is your answer right there. The guy already had a conflict. You can't assume anything after that. You can't guess. You can't hope. You have to have a clear understanding.

And if there isn't an agreement, then you move on.

Not because of a player's feelings, but because you have next to nothing to gain from a business standpoint, and the possibility of losing even more.

At some point the salvage mission simply becomes a parting of the ways.

The challenge that the Rangers have, under Gorton and Drury, is that they actually have instances where their insistence on sticking with a volatile situation to get better "value" ended up blowing up in their faces and resulting in either less value or the probability of getting less value.

The issue wasn't not being able to move ADA before he got himself in trouble. The issue was knowing he was always teetering on that brink and not moving him when you (the Rangers) had the chance. Even if that meant not getting a pipe dream return.

The issue wasn't sending Andersson out for a second round pick, it was putting yourself behind the 8-ball with behind the scenes stuff and just assuming it was going to go away.

The issue wasn't VK throwing a temper tantrum, it's the literal warning shots fired in your direction when he walked away the first time and when you sat down with him at the end of last season.

It's not moving Georgiev because you didn't have the exact value you wanted. Now you're looking at a severely reduced price tag.

In every instance it's gambling on situations where there's not really good odds to win the game. Essentially we're chasing hands in poker.

If going back to the KHL was strike one, the exit interview has to be strike two. Do you really tempt the fates for strike three?

Loud and clear. However, you do try to continue to work with them about their issues, as long as they're in it. Every organization has them and off-ice professionals who performs that job.

 

[Edge]

Loud and clear. However, you do try to continue to work with them about their issues, as long as they're in it. Every organization has them and off-ice professionals who performs that job.

Well and that being the case, you ask if there is a way to work on a deal, without any actions that work against it.

Sometimes it's also understanding that no amount of marriage counseling in the world is going to save the relationship. Sometimes that's a sad and uncomfortable realization.

By conflict number two, you have to know this just isn't going to work. And that's without looking at the other relationships that blew-up in spectacular fashion within the last 24 months.

 

[will1066]

He asked Reaves to teach him how to fight because he wanted to beat up Gallant. Don't blame Reaves, he didn't know his intentions.

He really is a sneaky bastid.

 

[HFBS]

We couldn't even get a whole f***ing day to enjoy the Zibanejad signing. f*** him and the Putin ass horse he rode in on.

 

[Levitate]

I think the second paragraph is your answer right there. The guy already had a conflict. You can't assume anything after that. You can't guess. You can't hope. You have to have a clear understanding.

And if there isn't an agreement, then you move on.

Not because of a player's feelings, but because you have next to nothing to gain from a business standpoint, and the possibility of losing even more.

At some point the salvage mission simply becomes a parting of the ways.

The challenge that the Rangers have, under Gorton and Drury, is that they actually have instances where their insistence on sticking with a volatile situation to get better "value" ended up blowing up in their faces and resulting in either less value or the probability of getting less value.

The issue wasn't not being able to move ADA before he got himself in trouble. The issue was knowing he was always teetering on that brink and not moving him when you (the Rangers) had the chance. Even if that meant not getting a pipe dream return.

The issue wasn't sending Andersson out for a second round pick, it was putting yourself behind the 8-ball with behind the scenes stuff and just assuming it was going to go away.

The issue wasn't VK throwing a temper tantrum, it's the literal warning shots fired in your direction when he walked away the first time and when you sat down with him at the end of last season.

It's not moving Georgiev because you didn't have the exact value you wanted. Now you're looking at a severely reduced price tag.

In every instance it's gambling on situations where there's not really good odds to win the game. Essentially we're chasing hands in poker.

If going back to the KHL was strike one, the exit interview has to be strike two. Do you really tempt the fates for strike three?

Yep, fair, I'm mostly just pissed at this situation. I'm pissed that apparently Kravtsov can't be bothered to handle a little adversity, and that the Rangers got themselves into this situation one way or another. Whether it was drafting him in the first place or jerking him around in the lineup or just not cutting bait when they should.
And yeah maybe this regime needs to learn that you can't hold onto assets forever and hope for the absolute best possible return all the time. They're going to have to make decisions about guys like Jones and Lundkvist and Robertson and Schneider too. There's going to be tough decisions ahead about moving Kreider and Trouba most likely.

 

[JohnC]

Well and that being the case, you ask if there is a way to work on a deal, without any actions that work against it.

Sometimes it's also understanding that no amount of marriage counseling in the world is going to save the relationship. Sometimes that's a sad and uncomfortable realization.

By conflict number two, you have to know this just isn't going to work. And that's without looking at the other relationships that blew-up in spectacular fashion within the last 24 months.

I put mostly all of this on Kravstov, but really good work from the organization thinking they could play chicken with this baby and come out on top. Inexcusable after the Lias situation.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

In this case I'm only interested in the outcome for the Rangers.

There have been too many times we've arrived at what almost feels like the inevitable, without a better plan in place.

Third times the charm, maybe the next ELC top 10 pick that’s disgruntled they’ll get it right!

 

[Fataldogg]

Kind of hard to believe he can't crack this line up. They aren't a particularly good team.

Immature of him to pout about not making the line up. That said, I see him doing well for another team.

 

[Edge]

Yep, fair, I'm mostly just pissed at this situation. I'm pissed that apparently Kravtsov can't be bothered to handle a little adversity, and that the Rangers got themselves into this situation one way or another. Whether it was drafting him in the first place or jerking him around in the lineup or just not cutting bait when they should.
And yeah maybe this regime needs to learn that you can't hold onto assets forever and hope for the absolute best possible return all the time. They're going to have to make decisions about guys like Jones and Lundkvist and Robertson and Schneider too. There's going to be tough decisions ahead about moving Kreider and Trouba most likely.

I'll repeat something from a friend who works for another organization. Right, wrong or otherwise, here was his response:

"Part of the challenge for the Rangers with some of these higher European picks has been that they took guys who didn't need to make it to the NHL to be okay. Lias is the son of an NHLer who has lived a comfortable life and could continue to live a comfortable life even if he told the Rangers to go jump in a lake. Kravtsov comes from an affluent family and has never faced the prospect of failure resulting in having to go work in a factory somewhere."

 

[Edge]

I put mostly all of this on Kravstov, but really good work from the organization thinking they could play chicken with this baby and come out on top. Inexcusable after the Lias situation.

And after they played this game before with Kravtsov...arguably twice.

 

[bbny]

We couldn't even get a whole f***ing day to enjoy the Zibanejad signing. f*** him and the Putin ass horse he rode in on.

I know! F! I'm so mad. I won't even be able to perform with my wife later.