Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

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I would love to know what the other players think about him. I cannot imagine this goes over well with the other 23 guys that made the team.

Every single one of those guys have encountered times in their careers where they didn't get what they wanted, the way they wanted it.
 
I'm no insider but Kravtsov getting dealt for another change-of-scenery player seems to make the most sense.

We've hit on these in the past: Strome, Brassard, and Hayes come to mind.

Hell, Adam damn Fox was a holdout.

Who are the options?
 
Kravtsov, Hajek, Jones, and next year's 1st for Larkin. Detroit think about it?

I think DET would jump on that proposal like a mad dog. Overpay imo, as good as Larkin is. Though I do think Larkin stays with DET.

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btw, how done is Krava here? Like, the milk is already out of the udder done? Or will we see another KHL bail, or something?
 
WHY can't you go to Hartford? On what merit? Honestly, what would his answer be?

It's irrational. You've shown promise but have accomplished very little and have yet to set yourself apart from the 'competition'. I really dont know what his value is now.
 
Remember when @EdJovanovski alerted us the second Kravtsov's flight landed at JFK? And we were all excited?

And now?
I was never that enamored with the guy. People used to call me "anti-KHL" or worse, imply that I had some sort of anti-Russian bias, which is totally untrue. I always saw flashes of brilliance in his game but never the whole package--which is fine, he's still young, but I just didn't ever see anything to make me truly think he was going to be a game-breaking talent. When his production wasn't where you'd want it to be, in the KHL, AHL, and NHL, it was always because his teammates sucked and were a drag on his stats, even if they themselves out-produced him. There's talent there but I just am not sure if he can make it all come together. These things which I now see as clear maturity issues only exacerbate those concerns.
 
I would love to know what the other players think about him. I cannot imagine this goes over well with the other 23 guys that made the team.

Every single one of those guys have encountered times in their careers where they didn't get what they wanted, the way they wanted it.

Wonder what someone like Dryden Hunt thinks about the situation. Undrafted, works his bag off, has stint in the ECHL, continues to work bag off when odds are against him, and makes the league. Kravtsov probably should have made the team but comes off like such an entitled jackass
 
WHY can't you go to Hartford? On what merit? Honestly, what would his answer be?

It's irrational. You've shown promise but have accomplished very little and have yet to set yourself apart from the 'competition'. I really dont know what his value is now.
I mean, if his argument is that on a weaker team with less competition at wings he could get a chance maybe even at the top lines, he's not necessarily wrong there. And he obviously wants to get that chance in an NHL team, not with the AHL.

In the end, it's his career and he does with it what he sees fit. This might turn out to be a good move for him should he get traded to a weaker team with poor winger depth.
 
Maybe if Drury sends this offer over to Yzerman at 11pm on a Friday when he’s a few whiskeys deep haha

Meh, I dunno. I think it's a decent deal that helps both teams - 6/7 LD, Jones potentially a 3/4 D, a top 9 possibly top 6 winger and a 1st round draft pick. Deal Strome at the deadline, sign Larkin as your #2, and Hajek, Jones and Kravtsov start their NHL careers. All of them could possibly play for Detroit right now.

I don't think it's a bad deal for Detroit and it partially clears a logjam at multiple positions for the NYR. Not gonna happen, but one can fantasize. ;)
 
Wow and I liked his skill set. Another tug of war between entitlement vs work ethic. Entitlement might win in the short term but the work ethic will keep him from being a better player.
 
I’ve been harping on this for awhile, and I only half believe it, but the Rangers continue to be unlucky even when they get lucky. The way these last several drafts fell, and the way they were phased with respect to each other AND other roster decisions, could not have been worse from an “optimization” perspective.

2017. Let’s get this kickstarted. Let’s start with a can’t miss, but boring, center in Lias Andersson and then take a swing with our 2nd 1st in Chytil (I’ll take it).

2018. The organization is lacking high end talent after the fire sale. Let’s take the clearly highest upside, most talented player in Kravtsov. In any other year, Farabee just screams Rangers pick.

2019. Kakko. Looking very promising still, but Zegras was the pick had we not won the lottery and there is still a really good chance that Trevor is the more dynamic player.

2020. Critical decision on Kreider. Prospect cupboard seems pretty well stocked. Looking like some decent center prospects will be available where we pick. Let’s key in on Lundell and bite the bullet on resigning a team leader with a unicorn skillset. Win the Laf lottery, immediately regret resigning a winger, find ourselves hopelessly barren with respect to center prospect depth.

This team cannot catch a break, even when they catch insane breaks. It’s maddening.
 
I was never that enamored with the guy. People used to call me "anti-KHL" or worse, imply that I had some sort of anti-Russian bias, which is totally untrue. I always saw flashes of brilliance in his game but never the whole package--which is fine, he's still young, but I just didn't ever see anything to make me truly think he was going to be a game-breaking talent. When his production wasn't where you'd want it to be, in the KHL, AHL, and NHL, it was always because his teammates sucked and were a drag on his stats, even if they themselves out-produced him. There's talent there but I just am not sure if he can make it all come together. These things which I now see as clear maturity issues only exacerbate those concerns.

He'll be a fine addition to another team. Yes, he hasn't truly rounded up the pieces of his talent and skill set together yet, but there's a lot of promise and potential there that's clearly evident. Maybe it was a numbers game here, maybe the overall environment just wasn't right for him, whatever it is the case. If I'm Kravtsov, I'd look at Miller's camp and definitely feel some injustice.
 
In the best of all worlds, VK would be traded for a center prospect that is younger and thus further off from the NHL. He's a top prospect who could step right into a team's lineup. A team that is in need of some scoring depth that is hoping to make the playoffs and has little cap space.

Teams like Vegas and Minnesota come to mind. but i could also see some rebuilding teams too (LAK, ANA, BUF)
 
I was never that enamored with the guy. People used to call me "anti-KHL" or worse, imply that I had some sort of anti-Russian bias, which is totally untrue. I always saw flashes of brilliance in his game but never the whole package--which is fine, he's still young, but I just didn't ever see anything to make me truly think he was going to be a game-breaking talent. When his production wasn't where you'd want it to be, in the KHL, AHL, and NHL, it was always because his teammates sucked and were a drag on his stats, even if they themselves out-produced him. There's talent there but I just am not sure if he can make it all come together. These things which I now see as clear maturity issues only exacerbate those concerns.
I can't help but think this is all Sedlak's fault.
 
What would've been your approach? Asking for a friend. Actually, actually on behalf of the entire board, who respects you.

Well, when shit got this bad, I would've have a very clear understanding of what both parties were and were not willing to do if we got to this point. If we can't arrive at an agreement, then it's time to pursue something else. There were options out there for sure.

At this point, it's quite obvious that this wasn't going to be VK's forever home and that a move was probably inevitable at some point. So you try to maximize the value as best you can.

Looking at the current roster, I wouldn't have handed Kravtsov anything. But coming off an injury, and having shown something in the limited time he got, I personally would not have sent him to Hartford. I would've seen how Kreider looks at RW, I would've seen if Gauthier can clear the fence rather than hit the warning track, and I would've given Reaves his time to recover.

If taking that chance meant exposing Hajek or Hunt to waivers, that's the cost of that approach. If it became apparent Gauthier was here to stay and Kreider was sticking at RW, then you go back to having other deals potentially lined up.

But I think this particular exit on the freeway could've been different, even if the end result is still Kravtsov going elsewhere.

There's ways we can do things differently to at least increase the odds of better results. Not always ideal results. Not always great results. But at least giving us a shot for something better, if not avoiding the outcome of making things that much more difficult.
 
You know the Rangers have f***ed up when even ultimate hard ass Rick Carpinello thinks they played this situation wrong

Here’s the thing, though. The Rangers had to know there would be a problem if they demoted Kravtsov again, right or wrong. Drury, who was Hartford’s GM when the first Kravtsov situation arose, had to know this was a delicate and potentially damaging situation — and that perhaps it needed to be handled differently than other player assignments to Hartford. Perhaps the kid’s feelings needed to be considered. Perhaps the team could have given him a longer look, given an injury that cost him part of training camp. Perhaps he could have been — and I abhor the notion generally — coddled just a bit….

Whether Kravtsov got a legitimate shot to be one of those top wingers is arguable. Whether he failed to earn it is in the eye of the beholder. Whether this was handled properly, well, it sure seems to have not been.

But if the Rangers lose this valuable asset for something less than the equivalent of a ninth-overall pick because they needed to keep Dryden Hunt and Julien Gauthier, with all due respect to both, this could be an epic disaster.
 
Does Kravtsov have a European assignment clause in this contract for this season? I found a Carp article from 2019 when Kravtsov left in 2019. The assignment clause was just for the first season of the ELC. He would have bolted for Russia last night. The Rangers should let him cool his jets at home. No hockey for him this season. No KHL loan. He exercised the clause at the first opportunity in 19-20. They were OK with the decision. That was a BS move. He left in October. Bob McKenzie reported that one night and I thought no way he goes back. That sucked. He didn't play much in the KHL. He was demoted to the KHL minor league. The Rangers bring him back. He finishes the season in the AHL. 2019-20 was a wasted year. He played well in the KHL last season. He wasn't a KHL phenom as one of the Rangers bloggers wrote on twitter today. He was not Kaprizov. Everyone makes a big deal about Drury saying Kravstov wasn't playing in the prospects camp scrimmages against Philly. Vitali probably refused to play with players beneath his level.
 
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Well, when shit got this bad, I would've have a very clear understanding of what both parties were and were not willing to do if we got to this point. If we can't arrive at an agreement, then it's to pursue something else. There were options out there for sure.

At this point, it's quite obvious that this wasn't going to be VK's forever home and that a move was probably inevitable at some point. So you try to maximize the value as best you can.

Looking at the current roster, I wouldn't have handed Kravtsov anything. But coming off an injury, and having shown something in the limited time he got, I personally would not have sent him to Hartford. I would've seen how Kreider looks at RW, I would've seen if Gauthier can clear the fence rather than hit the warning track, and I would've given Reaves his time to recover.

If taking that chance meant exposing Hajek or Hunt to waivers, that's the cost of that approach. If it became apparent Gauthier was here to stay and Kreider was sticking at RW, then you go back to having other deals potentially lined up.

But I think this particular exit on the freeway could've been different, even if the end result is still Kravtsov going elsewhere.

There's ways we can do things differently to at least increase the odds of better results. Not always ideal results. Not always great results. But at least giving us a shot for something better, if not avoiding the outcome of making things that much more difficult.

Omg, I'm triggered by "forever home." My wife makes me watch HGTV with her almost daily, and every other frickin' phrase that comes out of the host's mouth is "forever home." It's worse than bag-skating.
 
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