Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[ohbaby]

Nope, according to the reports we have, the questions about his conditioning came up during his exit interviews.

Please take media reports with a grain of salt. Dolan the billionaire has many on his payroll. They report his slant of the story, or they lose access. Do you actually believe he wrote the letter criticizing the NHL brass, and then fired JD and Gorton? Horsehockey.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

So only the Rangers can void the contract? Like he can't demand out of the contract to go to the KHL?

I'm no contract expert, but as I understand it, there is basically a "no poaching" agreement between the NHL and the KHL. NHL teams can't try to sign KHL players under contract and vise versa. If a KHL team tried to sign Kravtsov while he's under contract to the Rangers it could open up a whole potential can of worms that I imagine neither league wants opened.

 

[brakeyawself]

I'm no contract expert, but as I understand it, there is basically a "no poaching" agreement between the NHL and the KHL. NHL teams can't try to sign KHL players under contract and vise versa. If a KHL team tried to sign Kravtsov while he's under contract to the Rangers it could open up a whole potential can of worms that I imagine neither league wants opened.

I see thanks, that does make me feel a little bit better about getting a decent return for him.

 

[nyr2k2]

Kravtsov could sign in the KHL when he becomes an RFA (after this season), as long as he doesn't sign his qualifying offer. The KHL would consider that as not being under contract. That's what happened with Nick Jensen when we had him--he was an RFA, wouldn't sign with us, and signed in the KHL.

The difference with Kravtsov is he is refusing his assignment and is suspended. If he did that all year, the Rangers would toll his contract, meaning this whole contract year wouldn't count and he'd still be considered bound by the terms of his ELC and under contract. If that happened he wouldn't be able to sign in the KHL.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

But I can't help but be frustrated by the "what if" on this one.

Mostly agree.

What if Quinn played Lias in a better position for him to succeed? What if Gorts didn’t cancel ADA? Now Kravtsov.

It’s frustrating, but at the end of the day this organization needs to stand firm and not only expect professionalism from its players, but demand it.

No kid, regardless of draft status or potential, should try and strong arm their way into the line-up. There have been more talented players than Andersson and freaking Kravtsov go down for conditioning stints.

This whole thing sucks, and yeah, Drury could have handled it more efficiently. But f*** these entitled kids.

 

[gravey9]

I will say this:

Kravtsov is on my S* List.
Drury is heading in that direction. He seems to have had a big hand in derailing aspects of the rebuild even before he was gm and if he turns out to be our Isaiah, the pain of the last 4-5 years will all be for naught. I don't care if he's an egomaniac if he's one that knows how to manage and and evaluate. But if he doesn't, than he will destroy what's been built quicker than it was built.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

1st round pick in 2022 or former 1st round pick who hasn't started his ELC or is in the first or 2nd season of his ELC.

Be patient. It worked for Bill Armstrong. He put a high asking price for Darcy Kuemper and Christian Dvorak. He got a #1 pick for both players.

Ridley Greig out of Ottawa.

 

[ohbaby]

Our latest information, provided by an individual with knowledge of the situation, is that Kravtsov’s reasoning in refusing the assignment had nothing to do with his relationship with president-general manager Chris Drury, but rather was entirely based on his belief that he would never get a crack at a permanent spot on the top six with wingers Artemi Panarin, Chris Kreider, Alexis Lafreniere and Kaapo Kakko ahead of him on the depth chart.

Further to last year’s postseason exit meeting that The Post first described as “contentious,” we have learned that the Rangers asked Kravtsov — who recorded two goals and two assists in 20 games upon joining the club following his KHL season — to remain in New York for a spell to work through a conditioning program designed by the training staff. The winger declined the invitation.

More Horsehockey from the Brooks/Rangers camp. Vitali played a full season in the KHL, including the playoffs. And then played the final 20 games of the Rangers season,... and then was asked to do a training program after playing 72 games last year? Mind you the NHL season was only 56 games. But of course, who wouldn't need some training after playing that many games? Are you freakin kidding me with this bull of a story? If true, it's no wonder he declined after playing all those games. And who ever heard of this crap of a training regiment right after a season anyway? Boy the garbage that is being written really reeks.

And I'm not even gonna address this top six bullduty.

 

[RGY]

Quinn’s name still being brought up. The Quinn Apologists cannot move on.

Thank God that idiot isn’t coaching this team anymore.

And it pretty much seems that the same people who are in the Quinn Apologists membership club, are the same people making excuses for Kravtsov blaming everyone else, even in old man Sather. Wild. Common theme of deflecting ownership and responsibility.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Kravtsov, Hajek, Gauthier and a pick for Greig and Brannstrom

 

[will1066]

haha spot on.

Ask @Loki Dog 74

He's developing his baby in the womb already.

 

[LokiDog]

Ask @Loki Dog 74

He's developing his baby in the womb already.

He’s listening to the goal song, vicariously sporting Rangers gear through his mother, etc.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Quinn’s name still being brought up. The Quinn Apologists cannot move on.

Thank God that idiot isn’t coaching this team anymore.

And it pretty much seems that the same people who are in the Quinn Apologists membership club, are the same people making excuses for Kravtsov blaming everyone else, even in old man Sather. Wild. Common theme of deflecting ownership and responsibility.

Responsibility lies with the GM, and the GM only. Thats the thing though, I'm happy we have Gallant, wanted him from the day he got let go but all these things that have been going on in the organization up until this point have been blamed on Quinn, now we find out that Drury was an ahole in the AHL to Kravtsov, was he the issue when Lias went there too? So tell me, how much of the roster issues that have gone on the last 3 years was on Quinn? Because it was ridiculous to be blaming roster makeup on him to begin with because he's the coach, not the GM, he makes the lines not the roster. Nobody here knows what was told to Kravtsov, nobody knows what was actually promised to him, nobody knows anything, but this isn't the first issue we've had with young players, especially highly drafted players and if these issues are ignored or glossed over by the organization and their puppet Larry Brooks then this rebuild will never ever work. You can't burn 2 1st rounders in the prime of the rebuild and not point fingers internally.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kravtsov, Hajek, Gauthier and a pick for Greig and Brannstrom

 

[Kocur26]

Quinn’s name still being brought up. The Quinn Apologists cannot move on.

Thank God that idiot isn’t coaching this team anymore.

And it pretty much seems that the same people who are in the Quinn Apologists membership club, are the same people making excuses for Kravtsov blaming everyone else, even in old man Sather. Wild. Common theme of deflecting ownership and responsibility.

Thank Christ say it louder so they can comprehend.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kravtsov, Hajek, Gauthier and a pick for Greig and Brannstrom

Hard Pass. Have you seen Brannstrom? He makes Nils look like Kreider. We already have 3 smallish defenders & Brannstrom can barely crack Ottawa's lineup. No thanks.

 

[malcb33]

If you've listened to his interviews regarding resigning it's very clear he is not resigning there. Obviously there'd have to be a decent plus in the offer, but I think VK is a solid first piece to a trade like that

I'm not a Sharks fan, so I'm not going to pretend to speak for them, but IMO the + would have to be the main piece in the deal with Kravtsov being the sweetener.

Top 6 C's normally go for a fair bit at the trade deadline.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Kravtsov could sign in the KHL when he becomes an RFA (after this season), as long as he doesn't sign his qualifying offer. The KHL would consider that as not being under contract. That's what happened with Nick Jensen when we had him--he was an RFA, wouldn't sign with us, and signed in the KHL.

The difference with Kravtsov is he is refusing his assignment and is suspended. If he did that all year, the Rangers would toll his contract, meaning this whole contract year wouldn't count and he'd still be considered bound by the terms of his ELC and under contract. If that happened he wouldn't be able to sign in the KHL.

Is that really the case? If so, how does Kravtsov have any leverage here? Get your ass back here and play because if the Rangers don't get an offer they like, you're not playing hockey anywhere for quite some time.

 

[ohbaby]

Quinn’s name still being brought up. The Quinn Apologists cannot move on.

Thank God that idiot isn’t coaching this team anymore.

Yeah like Gallant is any better. Can't even pick a opening night roster or a goalie to start the season. And who again is the "you can bet on it" Captain of this team?

Someone had a great line, that they should change the name of the Rangers to the NY Alternates.

 

[RGY]

Yeah like Gallant is any better. Can't even pick a opening night roster or a goalie to start the season. And who again is the "you can bet on it" Captain of this team?

Someone had a great line, that they should change the name of the Rangers to the NY Alternates.

And yet the team is still 2-1-1 through the first 4 games with a lot of new faces and that new Coach you hate so much. Your crybaby bitching is falling on deaf ears pal.

 

[2014nyr]

Why stop at leagues just before the NHL? You could keep going and say every player was developed on a frozen lake.

Likewise development continues in the NHL as well. It’s not limited to recently drafted players aged like 18-22 years old.

i agree entirely - it occurs over your life. and its not to say nhl teams cant have a hand in development. but i firmly believe 90+% of that is the player. i also believe most of that development is either physical which is just the player committing to themselves. a team might talk to them about their fitness or things they might see as areas for improvement. but largely players know this stuff, and you can get the best advice in the world your entire life but it means nothing if you aren't willing to take it and put the work in to make use of it.

for me the crux of the issue is this - i firmly disagree with any notion that player x could have been a superstar if not for how his nhl team developed him. this idea kravtsov would be a star if we just treated him like one is crazy to me. water finds its level. yes the right culture, role opening, linemates, system can see a player take off early or outperform expectations. but to me thats entirely situational. like should anaheim kick themselves for not developing chris kunitz into the 40 goal scorer he became in pitt? did pitt develop him? or did he come along at the perfect time as the perfect complement to the best player in the world and benefit offensively? after scoring at that rate was he now a first liner who could go carry another teams top line ex crosby and produce at that level? bottom line to be is yes players can grow throughout their careers...add things to their game that increase value / extend their career - and some of that can come at the advice of a coach. players can benefit from their relationship with a coach, systems, linemates, advice they've given etc. but they aren't developed in the context i was responding to - which was that these other teams somehow turned them into better players. also that lias andersson was referenced as a good player...that was by far the most offensive part. obviously players can look very different from one team to the next - another guy mentioned was blackwell who was a career ahl guy who carved a role here. we didn't develop him though, he was who he was, he just found a fit here. far more of what you're perceived as is a byproduct of your environment - we see it every year all around the league...guys who were castoffs finding important roles elsewhere that makes people point and laugh at where they left. and high priced free agents changing locations and not finding the same success, if any at all in some cases.

and the idea that we should have just kept krav on the nhl roster because he wouldn't have flown home...to somehow think he's this massive loss and a total botch by us while simultaneously overlooking that absurd reaction from him doesn't make any sense. i was a huge fan of his and had high hopes. but he screwed himself. this can't in any way whatsoever be chalked up to the rangers failing to develop him. there were a lot of ways he could have handled this news, and he basically chose the worst possible. i mean if he wants to play nhl, or any pro hockey, at the moment...he didn't just shoot himself in the foot he sat on a grenade. anyone looks at that and thinks oh if we just put him on the first line everything works out is delusional. is the plan to just make sure he never hears a word he doesnt want to so he doesn't leave? sounds like edmonton circa 2011...i'll pass

 

[ohbaby]

And yet the team is still 2-1-1 through the first 4 games with a lot of new faces and that new Coach you hate so much. Your crybaby bitching is falling on deaf ears pal.

Speak to me 12 games in, after this west coast/Canada stretch of games. Then talk. You are dreaming that Shesty will stand on his head and Panarin and Zibad will supply all the scoring we will need.

 

[tomobson]

Is that really the case? If so, how does Kravtsov have any leverage here? Get your ass back here and play because if the Rangers don't get an offer they like, you're not playing hockey anywhere for quite some time.

I don't get it. I think he just wants to make it hurt for the Rangers as much as possible. If he wanted to play he'd be in the AHL producing and making himself easier to trade. I think someone mentioned here he has up till November first to report to the Wolfpack. Not sure what happens after that with him. Maybe he's trying to force the Rangers to loan him to a KHL team but then he's stuck there till the end of the season. What he's doing doesn't make sense to me.

 

[RGY]

Speak to me 12 games in, after this west coast/Canada stretch of games. Then talk. You are dreaming that Shesty will stand on his head and Panarin and Zibad will supply all the scoring we will need.

Yeah you’re right I am dreaming of Zibanejad and Panarin scoring because, uhh, they haven’t scored or played up to their usual standard thus far. No problem, see you in 8 games at the 12 game mark. You must not have looked at the upcoming schedule closely enough.

 

[Mandar]

More Horsehockey from the Brooks/Rangers camp. Vitali played a full season in the KHL, including the playoffs. And then played the final 20 games of the Rangers season,... and then was asked to do a training program after playing 72 games last year? Mind you the NHL season was only 56 games. But of course, who wouldn't need some training after playing that many games? Are you freakin kidding me with this bull of a story? If true, it's no wonder he declined after playing all those games. And who ever heard of this crap of a training regiment right after a season anyway? Boy the garbage that is being written really reeks.

And I'm not even gonna address this top six bullduty.

Just trying to get some clarity here…are you assuming that the day after the season ended, they were gonna start with this training regiment? Or would they give him a little time (“remaining in NY for a spell”), and then work WITH him in an offseason program.

And you are saying his oh so strenuous work during the season made this so unfair or something, something. Your manufactured outrage at this is interesting. As if players don’t do any workouts after the season? Or is it the timeframe you are taking such umbrage with?

Defend 74 all you want, but your little rant above is comical. Can you imagine? The team was gonna work with him in an offseason conditioning program….oh the humanity!!!