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Uninstaaled said:
It was 2 years ago. Hasn't been an issue since.

I have no idea how Krav's conditioning is. I don't seem to remember it impacting his play on the ice but its tough for that to be the case when he's played all of 20 games at this level getting like 10-12 minutes of ice time.
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Keep in mind those 20 games were right off of him playing the whole season in the KHL + playoffs and he still didn’t look tired ever. I wonder if they meant strength rather than cardio fitness?
 
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EdJovanovski said:
I’m saying other players even Vesey were gifted spots when they didn’t perform. People sour on Kravtsov because of this debacle but if we went back to when we were making the roster cuts I guarantee over 95% of this board would have Kravtsov making the team.
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Moved our covo into this thread.

Fair enough, so did I. But that didn't account for his injury and conditioning assignment in the AHL. They felt he wasnt in game shape. We couldnt really speak to that.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Keep in mind those 20 games were right off of him playing the whole season in the KHL + playoffs and he still didn’t look tired ever. I wonder if they meant strength rather than cardio fitness?
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All he had to do was spend 15 minutes with some dumbbells before practice or an organizational meeting to get into transient hypertrophy (a.k.a. get a pump and swole on), and he would've been good to go.
 
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Drury has absolutely handled this situation wrong, and not just for not trading him sooner. Even if Kravtsov is "more," to blame, and he may be, it doesn't matter in the analysis of what Drury should have done. He should have cut Kravtsov a little slack knowing he'd bolt. That doesn't mean cave in and give him everything he wants "without earning it," but it does mean work a little harder to come to some accommodation with him, at least for a trial period, including, if necessary, cutting flippin' Libor Hajek to keep Kravtsov on the active roster but scratched while he works through conditioning issues. But Drury definitely seems to be a hot head as GM, there are a lot of unsavory rumors about him being cut throat in regards to the JD/JG thing, and he has had a hand in or presided over a couple different player meltdowns that have resulted in us getting less than (or no) value for previously valuable assets. All to the serious detriment of our rebuild and assembly of a long term favored contender in the future.

That being said if he can rectify this situation by winning a trade his grade will improve. I'm not married to Kravtsov per se, I'm married to the idea that we get another elite talent in here if not Kravtsov (or two). Confidence is not high, but we'll see.
 
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Vitto79 said:
no team will get desperate for Kravtsov
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It just takes 1 team…but I agree. Kicking the tires is a whole lot different than getting into a bidding war. I don’t see this ending soon unless Kravs takes his medicine and reports to HFD or another GM plays ball and makes a serious offer.
 
duhmetreE said:
Jets - Copp or PLD? quitter swap?
CGY - Dube or fantasy would be Zary
OTT - i have no clue
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Strome and Kravy for PLD and a pick?

I'd do that. Kakko is strong on the wall, Panarin is the playmaker. PLD for all his faults is decent on the dot, caries the puck well, and drives the net. He's not too shabby in his own zone either and has a history with Panarin.

Kravy can go play run n gun in Winnipeg.
 
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RangerBoy said:


1st round pick in 2022 or former 1st round pick who hasn't started his ELC or is in the first or 2nd season of his ELC.

Be patient. It worked for Bill Armstrong. He put a high asking price for Darcy Kuemper and Christian Dvorak. He got a #1 pick for both players.
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Kuemper and Dvorak are proven NHL veterans ... Kravtsov is the exact opposite.

Listen, I'd love for a 1st rd pick coming back, but I think it's really unrealistic.
 
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Management spoke to him about his offseason training... nothing. Players reached out and told him he needed to work harder... nothing. This kid is a spoiled, entitled brat. I blame Drury for calling him out in front of the team when it could have been done behind closed doors, but that's it. All this moaning about a kid who's shown nothing on the ice and nothing but attitude off it. He's never going to make it in this league. Ya'll can watch his highlight reel from the KHL allstar game in a few years though.
 
mas0764 said:
Exactly this.

Expecting more out of a 21 year old is reasonable in some circumstances, but not all.
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The expect(ed) the same from Chytil, Jones, Barron, Callahan, and countless others. All of them took their assignment after playing pro games. None of them created drama. They put their head down and worked for it. That's what you expect from a supposed professional. Every single one of them put up better numbers than Kravtsov in the AHL too, btw. He has not been impressive--certainly nowhere near impressive enough to expect a roster spot.

Kravtsov refused to report. f*** him. Watch Pajuniemi put up a better clip.

All of this has been mentioned probably 100 times. I don't know why i'm still trying to reason with the pro-kravt crowd
 
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New York Rebuild said:
Let’s stop being an incompetent organization and call the kid in Russia and invite him back to the NHL and waive Gauthier or Hajeks ugly asses
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Explain to me how Hajek is blocking Kravtsov? How about Gauthier? Neither were in the opening lineup and Gauthier was only dressed after an injury. What makes you think Kravtsov doesn't pull the same shit after sitting in the press box for the first 3 games of the season? If he isn't happy playing in the AHL, what makes you think he is smiling in the press box?

I find it hilarious the first sign of adversity or demotion to 4th line/scratch for Kaako and Laf, everyone is screaming for them to go to Hartford. When the same thing is proposed for Kravtsov, its "well being scratched or 4th line is better than Hartford!!!!"
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Management spoke to him about his offseason training... nothing. Players reached out and told him he needed to work harder... nothing. This kid is a spoiled, entitled brat. I blame Drury for calling him out in front of the team when it could have been done behind closed doors, but that's it. All this moaning about a kid who's shown nothing on the ice and nothing but attitude off it. He's never going to make it in this league. Ya'll can watch his highlight reel from the KHL allstar game in a few years though.
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Both Kaako and Laf can back in noticeably better shape this year. I'm sure the "train better in the off season" was a message across the board to all the kids. The team does strength and conditioning tests to start every camp and I'm sure they saw Kravtsov results and were like "so what did you do this offseason?"
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Management spoke to him about his offseason training... nothing. Players reached out and told him he needed to work harder... nothing. This kid is a spoiled, entitled brat. I blame Drury for calling him out in front of the team when it could have been done behind closed doors, but that's it. All this moaning about a kid who's shown nothing on the ice and nothing but attitude off it. He's never going to make it in this league. Ya'll can watch his highlight reel from the KHL allstar game in a few years though.
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Yeah honestly the thing about his teammates comments are maybe more telling about the situation than the other stuff we're hearing. If it's just Drury being a dick and calling him out that's one thing but if teammates are trying to help him out, telling him these things, and also thinking he's a bit of a "floater" then there's more going on than just between Kravtsov and management
Also points out another issue with the "well just make an exception and put him on the team!" route, which is that it may just piss off other players who feel like the guy is getting preferential treatment and then you start getting locker room problems and already running into issues with the coaches etc.
 
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Levitate said:
Yeah honestly the thing about his teammates comments are maybe more telling about the situation than the other stuff we're hearing. If it's just Drury being a dick and calling him out that's one thing but if teammates are trying to help him out, telling him these things, and also thinking he's a bit of a "floater" then there's more going on than just between Kravtsov and management
Also points out another issue with the "well just make an exception and put him on the team!" route, which is that it may just piss off other players who feel like the guy is getting preferential treatment and then you start getting locker room problems and already running into issues with the coaches etc.
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Didn't they try that last year with ADA after teammates and management took him aside and said 'cut your antics'? It's different in terms of the actual actions but similar in how the player is pretty much asking to be handled and treated differently.
 
WojtekWolski86 said:
Both Kaako and Laf can back in noticeably better shape this year. I'm sure the "train better in the off season" was a message across the board to all the kids. The team does strength and conditioning tests to start every camp and I'm sure they saw Kravtsov results and were like "so what did you do this offseason?"
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Both guys drafted higher and have proved more probably put a ton more time in the offseason than this kid did. I don't know, if I'm telling management I deserve to be in the top 6 yet dismiss their desire for me to work harder over the summer, that doesn't seem too smart.

Levitate said:
Yeah honestly the thing about his teammates comments are maybe more telling about the situation than the other stuff we're hearing. If it's just Drury being a dick and calling him out that's one thing but if teammates are trying to help him out, telling him these things, and also thinking he's a bit of a "floater" then there's more going on than just between Kravtsov and management

Also points out another issue with the "well just make an exception and put him on the team!" route, which is that it may just piss off other players who feel like the guy is getting preferential treatment and then you start getting locker room problems and already running into issues with the coaches etc.
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People seem to ignore the fact that he probably still would have pouted if they kept him here and gave him limited ice or God forbid, scratched him.
 
Would be happy with a 1st.
I think two 2nds is also acceptable.
Just a 2nd would be #feelsbadman - Kravy >>> Lias and we got a 2nd for him. I know the two have nothing to do with each other but if all we got was a 2nd then it means we didn't get full value.
 
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