Knies vs Amirov vs Robertson

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Whoever is the least injury prone, so Knies I suppose.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Don’t think Robertson holds much value in a trade right now

What are you talking about? He holds lots of value. Came off 55 goals in 46 OHL games to play in the NHL play ins, then put up 18 points in 23 AHL games (at 19 years old) while battling injuries.

This place. Jesus.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Knies is the most exciting, but I still feel Robertson is the best of the three.

Recent events have deflated his value but the skill is there. He will gain strength as time goes on and that's when he's going to shine. Hopefully, they're patient and that happens with the Leafs.

A 22-23 year old Robertson will be a good NHL winger.

 

[crump]

closed my eyes and clicked while waving the curser around

 

[7even]

What is going on with Robertson anyway

His career has been completely derailed by injuries. Kinda like Ian Scott.

 

[francis246]

Honestly Dubas would be smart to trade a prospect(s) at this point. He has a large group of very good but not elite prospects right now. He can afford to move one or two.

LMAO not to pick on you but I have been making this point for the last 3 months and you and a group of others basically argued with me in every thread saying the complete opposite. What has changed now?

Its just funny to see how quickly people get on board with an idea depending on who the message comes from. Hf boards gonna Hf boards.

 

[francis246]

All 3 will make it. I'm pretty high on the trio, if you forced me to trade one it would be Robertson. Amirov may take longer to get there but he has an elite skill set and offensively the highest ceiling.

Knies is physically ready for the NHL tomorrow, this management group doesn't rush prospects but I could see him making the roster out of camp next year. Aside from Bunting, our LW is up for grabs.

needs to sign an entry level deal or he can’t be at camp.

 

[Stephen]

Robertson, surprised so many have soured on a kid already.

Not sure sour is the right word but real world events and injuries have really conspired to derail his development to date.

I imagine an alternate reality where some combination of leading the US at the WJC's, non pandemic domination of the OHL and a smoother AHL promotion with none of the Bubble Playoffs hype show could have given us a more NHL ready, confident, healthy young player on the upswing. But the way they built him up so quickly coupled with not catching on just kind of set him up for failure up to now.

As it stands he's just at a point where he can get back to development. He has one outstanding weapon and so many good habits but also such a non ideal build and seems to need to learn to let the pro game come to him a little bit instead of chasing everything like a crazed puppy. I have no idea where he ends up but hopefully he can get a long runway for rebuilding his game.

 

[Seras]

Knies until the next draft then that guy

 

[HockeyVirus]

Robertson, surprised so many have soured on a kid already.

You are? These are the same ones who soured on Lilly when he didn't become an NHler after his draft +2

 

[Funk21]

I think another question regarding these 3 prospects might be which one along with Leafs 1st and roster player is headed to Arizona for Jakob Chychrun or another top 4 Dman upgrade?

I believe one of these 3 players is likely going to be dealt at the TD this year as Leafs stock up for a must win playoff round #1.

This thread topic might have less options post trade deadline this season as such.

Agree, talking to a buddy about this and what Vegas has done. They trade all three of their first round picks in 2017 to build their team. Glass, Suzuki, Brannstrom all gone and Suzuki is the only one who looks like a legit NHLer.

Based on how good Knies have been I think he is untouchable IMO, Amirov stock is down so I would suspect it would be Robertson. Personally I would prefer they go after Klingberg and but he needs a new contact next year and unless they have something negotiated then you don’t make that trade.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

Went with the one who has played NHL games

I think he will improve his skating

 

[Hotel Mario]

Robertson needs to be bubble wrapped at all times. Even when healthy he's reminiscent of Nail Yakupov. Amirov is similarly not getting playing time. That leaves Knies who absolutely has the skills our club needs, while getting loads of developmental opportunities.

 

[ToDavid]

Honestly way too early to tell and they’re all different ages playing in wildly different situations.

Hopefully both Knies and Amirov come to Toronto next year. Has Knies said anything about finishing college?

 

[67Cup]

I have no idea which one will turn out to be the best but it’s going to be fun watching them to find out.

 

[saltming]

I have no idea which one will turn out to be the best but it’s going to be fun watching them to find out.

This is the correct answer

 

[Future]

I preferred Nick to his brother in the OHL. If he could even be close to what Jason is right now, that would be fantastic.

I think Knies and Amirov have the much higher floors.

But I’m confident all three will be good NHL players.

 

[Fogelhund]

You know what the best thing is.. we have Robertson AND Amirov AND Knies.

We can just sit back and watch, to see who becomes the best, because at this point, it's impossible to predict for certain.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Amirov > Knies > Robertson

I preferred Nick to his brother in the OHL. If he could even be close to what Jason is right now, that would be fantastic.

I think Knies and Amirov have the much higher floors.

But I’m confident all three will be good NHL players.

Robertson will be sent packing in a trade. He won't stick with the org. Just a feeling I have.

 

[Nylander88]

Robertson will be sent packing in a trade. He won't stick with the org. Just a feeling I have.

I agree with this. He will still have perceived value, and we have a logjam up front.
Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
_____-Kampf-______
Ritchie-_____-Simmonds

These are all forwards under contract for next season. I can probably lock Spezza into 4C too, since you know the Leafs are gonna want to bring him back at league minimum, and he's gonna want to stay. So assuming you let all of Mikheyev, Engvall, and Kase walk...and you'd have to think that the Leafs try and get at least 1 of these guys back in the fold... we really only have one forward spot available. We have guys like Anderson, Steeves, & Ho-Sang who will be pushing hard for jobs next training camp. Add on young guys like Amirov & Knies who will be knocking on the door possibly as early as next season's training camp.
Robertson is the oldest of those three, and will likely be packaged with a D-man for a D upgrade, or be used as a chip to get out of a contract such as Mrazek's so that we can afford to keep Campbell. Not saying I want him gone, but I agree with you that he may be out the door

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

Personally, I would move on from Robertson if it meant getting a player beyond a 1 year rental. We're in win now mode and I don't see him being a high-end threat moreso a good support player. Amirov has Nylander level talent.. Knies is the type of player we tried to draft in Tyler Biggs.

 

[Voodoo Child]

It’s hard to believe Robertson is only 20, seems like he’s had a lot of development time.

I’m also inclined to think he’s the odd man out for a D upgrade or to move money.

Any of them are available for the right player.

 

[Chief Berube]

Frankly I think we will need all three as their ELC will buy us some time to resign the big 3 IMO.

Robertson likely is up with the team next year while both Knies and Amirov are likely a few years away. Of three Knies appears to have the highest upside right now but Amirov has had some terrible luck with injuries and really hasn’t been given a great opportunity in Russia. Most pundits believed he was the steal of the first round so let’s hope that does translate.

Eventually I think we see something like this:
Knies AM Marner
Amirov JT Nylander
Robertson ???? ??????

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Macallan18]

its interesting, three left wingers and all totally different:

Robertson 20yrs, 4mos pure sniper
Amirov 20yrs, 3mos skater, play maker and shooter, most balance
Knies 19yrs, 3mos power forward

I HATE the trades we make going to the trades before the playoffs.
I NEVER like the pick ups. I hated Foligno, wanted Hall.
Picking up washed up players that don't fit into our system, just a complete waste of talent.
Ok, rant is off.

 

[VanW27]

Personally, I would move on from Robertson if it meant getting a player beyond a 1 year rental. We're in win now mode and I don't see him being a high-end threat moreso a good support player. Amirov has Nylander level talent.. Knies is the type of player we tried to draft in Tyler Biggs.

I mean he pretty clearly doesn't, 20 year old Nylander would be pushing for a scoring title in the KHL (22G, 60pts in the NHL), 20 YO Amirov is a 4th liner and frequent healthy scratch. You can argue about KHL coaches holding him back all you want but, and maybe they are to an extent, but no coach would be sticking his best player in the pressbox. Hell 18YO Nylander would probably be Salavat's top scorer.

That doesn't mean he isn't a good prospect or won't be a good player for us but he is no where near Nylanders level at the same age. I get the comparison, similar style, similar frame, similar skating, but Amirov is behind Nylander in pretty much everything. He's got a great shot - Nylander's is a bit better, he's a good skater - Nylander is a bit faster and the biggest difference Nylander is so much stronger. The skating power and hand strength allows him to break through traffic, pick pockets and make 50-50 puck battles look like no battle at all.