Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Balthazar]

I don't think he is coming out of this. I hope he does but it's been 30 games. Some guys don't recover from serious injuries like this, I truly hope I am wrong. Maybe he was never that good to begin with.

Is he not recovering from the injury or he's just the same player that he was in Chicago before the trade?

We saw him play amaizing before injury, many of us were thinking he would even surpass Suzuki. How quick we forget. Give him more time.

The sample was too small to conclude that it was the real Kirby Dach and not a bad player getting on a hot streak (which happens all the time).

 

[SlafySZN]

He never did it from the C position though, only on the W with Suzuki and Caufield, which is also the only place Slaf has ever had any success. Makes you think....

Not true, he was even better playing with Hoffman and Dadonov or even Drouin when he got back at center.

 

[Miller Time]

Michel Therrien criticizes Kirby Dach

Kirby Dach's Time with the Montreal Canadiens Would Be Over if Therrien Had the Final Say

Expectations were high when Kent Hughes acquired Kirby Dach in 2022, but unfortunately for him everything has changed since.

www.habsfanatics.com

This might be the best indicator of great things to come for Dach we've yet seen!

 

[Don D]

From a Feb 2024 Gazette article:
"Dach, who had the ACL and MCL of his right knee surgically repaired on Oct. 31, has been haunted by that thought ever since learning of the damage caused in his collision with Jared Tinordi in the Oct. 14 game against his former team, the Chicago Blackhawks. The pain he’s experienced has been more than just physical."
That and the fact he has had several injuries before may be too much to overcome.
Not everyone is Joe Thornton!
The Habs take a cap hit of $3,362,500 thru 2025/26.
Slaf on the other hand.....

 

[The Great Weal]

Many of us were thinking he would even surpass Suzuki. How quick we forget. Give him more time.

Many of you were horribly wrong about this and were basing he would "surpass Suzuki" based on training camp and preseason. It reminds me of when Victor Mete was going to surpass Ben Chiarot because of his preseason performance. Dach has shown nothing close to Suzuki to warrant that kind of praise.

He'll need an unprecedented turnaround to go from arguably the worst player in the NHL to overtaking a top 15-20 C in the league.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

From a Feb 2024 Gazette article:
"Dach, who had the ACL and MCL of his right knee surgically repaired on Oct. 31, has been haunted by that thought ever since learning of the damage caused in his collision with Jared Tinordi in the Oct. 14 game against his former team, the Chicago Blackhawks. The pain he’s experienced has been more than just physical."
That and the fact he has had several injuries before may be too much to overcome.
Not everyone is Joe Thornton!
The Habs take a cap hit of $3,362,500 thru 2025/26.
Slaf on the other hand.....

Good post. You're not the only one who mentioned that. The Gazette reference is one and it's something I've heard few times on Marinaro and BMP. Dach's psychological fear can take a full year to recovery. He's like a car running with his hand brake.

His market value must be very low now. The best thing for Habs fans is to wait.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Dach was carrying Dadonov and Hoffman from the time he was taken off Suzuki/CC wing to when he got his mysterious injury/illness...and he was doing it while being double covered.

How many games and what were his stats if he was so dominant?

You might be right but that's not how I remember it, but of course he was better then than he is now.

 

[Tyson]

Good post. You're not the only one who mentioned that. The Gazette reference is one and it's something I've heard few times on Marinaro and BMP. Dach's psychological fear can take a full year to recovery. He's like a car running with his hand brake.

His market value must be very low now. The best thing for Habs fans is to wait.

Should he be allowed to play on the second line while hurting the team?

 

[G0bias]

Many of you were horribly wrong about this and were basing he would "surpass Suzuki" based on training camp and preseason. It reminds me of when Victor Mete was going to surpass Ben Chiarot because of his preseason performance. Dach has shown nothing close to Suzuki to warrant that kind of praise.

He'll need an unprecedented turnaround to go from arguably the worst player in the NHL to overtaking a top 15-20 C in the league.

No denying those were some spicy takes but to fair, Dach did dominate between Hoffman and Dadonov/Drouin for a good stretch. So he showed flashes during season play too.
Was it substantial enough is the question.

 

[Balthazar]

If people would apply the same logic to Kirby Dach than they do to other players (like, say, Joel Armia) they'd realize that he's just a bad player that had a good run rather than a good player that's currently on a bad streak.

The bad/good ratio for Kirby Dach in the NHL is probably close to 95/5.

 

[The Great Weal]

No denying those were some spicy takes but to fair, Dach did dominate between Hoffman and Dadonov/Drouin for a good stretch. So he showed flashes during season play too.
Was it substantial enough is the question.

Suzuki carried the team (outside Price) playing next to Drouin and Armia in the playoffs and facing the toughest matchups. That shows way more than 20-ish games in a lost season. Not to mention that he was clearly riding the coattails of Suzuki and Caufield when he was a winger on that line.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Should he be allowed to play on the second line while hurting the team?

I don't think so. He sould play time with Evans at center so he could watch him and get simple tricks.

Suzuki carried the team (outside Price) playing next to Drouin and Armia in the playoffs and facing the toughest matchups. That shows way more than 20-ish games in a lost season. Not to mention that he was clearly riding the coattails of Suzuki and Caufield when he was a winger on that line.

Drouin wasn't playing in the playoffs and Danault had the toughest matchups. Suzuki have a big minus stats since he plays in the nhl.

 

[The Great Weal]

Drouin wasn't playing in the playoffs and Danault had the toughest matchups. Suzuki have a big minus stats since he plays in the nhl.

I’m talking about the bubble year, where we played against the Pens and Flyers. Drouin definitely did play with Suzuki there.

 

[BLONG7]

I don't think so. He sould play time with Evans at center so he could watch him and get simple tricks.


Drouin wasn't playing in the playoffs and Danault had the toughest matchups. Suzuki have a big minus stats since he plays in the nhl.

Suzuki has been a one man band since playing in the NHL..............he has had zero protection from the big matchups.....we have had no 2nd line C since Suzuki joined the team. Phil was and is more a defensive specialist, who is a 3rd line C.
I know you are a fan of Phil, and I was, until he thought he was worth north of 5M and subsequently wanted out of Montreal...........

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Slaf Suzuki CC
Laine Dach Gally
Newhook Dvorak Andersson

He have a all star sniper and a hard working RW, get this done asap Marty

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Suzuki has been a one man band since playing in the NHL..............he has had zero protection from the big matchups.....we have had no 2nd line C since Suzuki joined the team. Phil was and is more a defensive specialist, who is a 3rd line C.
I know you are a fan of Phil, and I was, until he thought he was worth north of 5M and subsequently wanted out of Montreal...........

Phil plays 2nd c most of the time in LAK and they make the PO every year since Phil joined LAK. And Phil have a plus stat most of the time, despite playing with different wingers since he plays in nhl. Phil is worth 5,5. He is a nightmare for most #1 C in the league and LAK makes the PO since he joined them. That alone is worth his salary. But you and others like to mention he wasn't worth 5M, and hahaha, Dvorak is paid 4,5, and hahaha Anderson is paid 5,5 and hahaha Gallagher is paid 6,5. Talking about that money and who is worth what with a Mtl fan makes me become very sarcastic. I will sound like E Musk soon if I don't stop myself, lol. I make big efforts to stay a gentleman.

Take in consideration that Suzuki have Caufield on his wing. And Caufield is the best winger for the Habs and one of the more efficient snyper of the league. But CC is poor in defensive play. Seems like the defensive play is taboo with Mtl fans. We had boring defensive teams and we puke if defensive play is mentioned. MSL is trying to recreate the offensive team of Tampa Bay but he doesn't have the players to apply such a system. Well, I guess this is what he's trying, the other option is he have no idea how to impliment a system that works.

Imagine if today we have Danault and Lehkonen. No Dvorak, no Anderson. Do you think we could be beaten 9-2 by Pittsburg?

 

[Ozmodiar]

How many games and what were his stats if he was so dominant?

You might be right but that's not how I remember it, but of course he was better then than he is now.

~ 5 games together.
3 points. 1 PP 1 EV 1 SH

Around 60 even strength minutes together.

After he was taken off the Suzuki line they tried him with Hoff + Ylonen and Hoff + Anderson for several games.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

~ 5 games together.
3 points. 1 PP 1 EV 1 SH

Around 60 even strength minutes together.

After he was taken off the Suzuki line they tried him with Hoff + Ylonen and Hoff + Anderson for several games.

Yeah sometimes this place needs community notes

 

[the valiant effort]

It’s clear that most people tune out completely during the second half of lost seasons, understandably so. Unfortunately it means I have to skim past a lot of posters that exclusively talk out of their ass.