Player Discussion Kirby Dach (Part 3): TabarDach Edition!

[Rapala]

He looks destined for the 3rd line next year. There's 0 chance Hughes goes into next season with Dach as the 2nd best center on this team.

I think 2C was always going to be our greatest immediate need. The good news is I do believe there are term solutions out there and it's going to boil down to cost. We do have a number of valuable and interesting options in Laval to go along with picks that could land that big fish. I mean at center alone we have Xhekaj Kapanen and Beck who are all fantastic pieces. If I had to hazard a guess we'd be more interested in a short term solution but you never know.

 

[Scriptor]

If it is true, then he needs to find a new home this summer. He’ll never shake off the injured and inconsistent label. Two major injuries from plays that look like nothing.

At least for him, he already made quite a few Millions, so even retirement wouldn't be all that bad for him. Maybe he can become a PeeWee coach and, one day, get a stab at becoming a coach in the NHL?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

This certainly seals what was already likely.

CC - Suze - Demi
Slaf - 2C - Laine
Newhook - Beck - Anderson
Heineman - Kapanen - Gally

He’ll have next season to prove he belongs at all.

That lineup looks decent, we can maybe make the playoffs with our current defense and goalie. Just move Dach and Mailloux + for a real 2C

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

What have we learned from this?
Accelerating the rebuild for tweeners ain't worth it.

Tank or proven assets is the way to go.

I don't mind the flyer on dach so much but its basically a 13th overall gone down the drain , it is what it is , win some lose some

 

[OldCraig71]

I think not many Habs fans read the CHI board after the Dach trade. None of this should be a surprise if you trusted what CHI fans had to say. They were NOT bitter to get a 13OA pick in exchange for him.

I was one of the posters who went there and had a very cordial exchange with them. They basically confirmed what I was seeing from him, and I talked about that here, but others quickly shot it down.

You can't play a one-way game and be an effective NHL center unless you're Connor McDavid scoring 100 plus points a year. He doesn't need to focus on defense because on most shifts he has the puck.

Dach has okay offensive instincts, but on his own side of center ice he is completely lost and his FO% is at 40. It doesn't help him to be playing with two guys who have little to no defensive instincts either. If the Hawks mismanaged Dach, we aren't really doing him any favours either.

Center and top pairing D are the toughest positions in hockey and not every player can pull it off. I compared his time at center to the Drouin experiment, and what I meant was that neither one is a center, but being played in the role and being exposed for the lack of execution.

Kirby Dach's injuries are not the reason he isn't a good center. The issue lies with his defensive zone awareness and hockey IQ. He is fine on the attack and around the opposition's net but lost on the defensive side of things.

 

[26Mats]

Done for the year. What a disaster.

source?

He looks destined for the 3rd line next year. There's 0 chance Hughes goes into next season with Dach as the 2nd best center on this team.

I wouldn't mind a 3rd line of Newhook - Dach - Anderson.

This certainly seals what was already likely.

CC - Suze - Demi
Slaf - 2C - Laine
Newhook - Beck - Anderson
Heineman - Kapanen - Gally

He’ll have next season to prove he belongs at all.

Beck auditioning for the 2c role right now, with Dach sliding to the 3rd line between Newhook and Anderson.

 

[Scriptor]

I thought we might perhaps be able to squeeze top-6 production out of Dach as a winger, but, with this latest injury -- especially of it is as serious as currently speculated -- forget even that!

Now, for next year, we need a top-6 CENTER AND winger!

Caufield - Suzuki - Demidov
Ehlers- 2C - Laine
Heineman/Slafkovsky - Beck - Slafkovsky/Heineman
Anderson - Newhook - Gallagher

Going All-In trying to get Laine to work by adding Ehlers as an UFA.

Waiting for Hage to play with Slafkovsky and one of Kapanen or Beck?

Caufield - Suzuki - Demidov
Ehlers - 2C - Laine
Slafkovsky - Kapanen - Hage
Heineman - Beck - Roy/F.Xhekaj/Davidson

 

[EveryDay]

I was one of the posters who went there and had a very cordial exchange with them. They basically confirmed what I was seeing from him, and I talked about that here, but others quickly shot it down.

You can't play a one-way game and be an effective NHL center unless you're Connor McDavid scoring 100 plus points a year. He doesn't need to focus on defense because on most shifts he has the puck.

Dach has okay offensive instincts, but on his own side of center ice he is completely lost and his FO% is at 40. It doesn't help him to be playing with two guys who have little to no defensive instincts either. If the Hawks mismanaged Dach, we aren't really doing him any favours either.

Center and top pairing D are the toughest positions in hockey and not every player can pull it off. I compared his time at center to the Drouin experiment, and what I meant was that neither one is a center, but being played in the role and being exposed for the lack of execution.

Kirby Dach's injuries are not the reason he isn't a good center. The issue lies with his defensive zone awareness and hockey IQ. He is fine on the attack and around the opposition's net but lost on the defensive side of things.

Totally agreed.

As a RW maybe it could work but as a center, it's over. I would try that line next year yo see if it click.

Heineman-Beck-Dach

 

[Scriptor]

source?



I wouldn't mind a 3rd line of Newhook - Dach - Anderson.

I would.

Beck auditioning for the 2c role right now, with Dach sliding to the 3rd line between Newhook and Anderson.

Can't imagine a line of Newhook - Dach - Anderson amounting to much, even playing against weaker opposition.

 

[ReHabs]

What have we learned from this?
Accelerating the rebuild for tweeners ain't worth it.

Tank or proven assets is the way to go.

I don't mind the flyer on dach so much but its basically a 13th overall gone down the drain , it is what it is , win some lose some

Don't forget the genius trade for Newhook either.

 

[Scriptor]

Totally agreed.

As a RW maybe it could work but as a center, it's over. I would try that line next year yo see if it click.

Heineman-Beck-Dach

Forget Dach, the Glass Tiger.

 

[EveryDay]

I thought we might perhaps be able to squeeze top-6 production out of Dach as a winger, but, with this latest injury -- especially of it is as serious as currently speculated -- forget even that!

Now, for next year, we need a top-6 CENTER AND winger!

Caufield - Suzuki - Demidov
Ehlers- 2C - Laine
Heineman/Slafkovsky - Beck - Slafkovsky/Heineman
Anderson - Newhook - Gallagher

Going All-In trying to get Laine to work by adding Ehlers as an UFA.

Waiting for Hage to play with Slafkovsky and one of Kapanen or Beck?

Caufield - Suzuki - Demidov
Ehlers - 2C - Laine
Slafkovsky - Kapanen - Hage
Heineman - Beck - Roy/F.Xhekaj/Davidson

Slafkovski is not going on the 3rd line.....

Don't forget the genius trade for Newhook either.

Be patient with Newhook, I still believe he can be a solid 3rd line player producing 40+ pts.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

What ever happen Kirby don't give up, I'm still certain he can contribute on our top 6/9, on the dot or on the wing it doesn't matter

The guys have elite skill, he may never be the next Getzlaf,but again, too much talent to not have a place in a top 9

Would I give the #13 for a 6f4 220+ physical, elite playmaking making 45-50 points on our 3rd line and second pp, hell yeah I would

 

[BergevinBurner]

What ever happen Kirby don't give up, I'm still certain he can contribute on our top 6/9, on the dot or on the wing it doesn't matter

The guys have elite skill, he may never be the next Getzlaf,but again, too much talent to not have a place in a top 9

Would I give the #13 for a 6f4 220+ physical, elite playmaking making 45-50 points on our 3rd line and second pp, hell yeah I would

I think he's a perfectly capable 3rd liner assuming he stays healthy, but the words Kirby and elite do not belong in the same sentence.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I was one of the posters who went there and had a very cordial exchange with them. They basically confirmed what I was seeing from him, and I talked about that here, but others quickly shot it down.

You can't play a one-way game and be an effective NHL center unless you're Connor McDavid scoring 100 plus points a year. He doesn't need to focus on defense because on most shifts he has the puck.

Dach has okay offensive instincts, but on his own side of center ice he is completely lost and his FO% is at 40. It doesn't help him to be playing with two guys who have little to no defensive instincts either. If the Hawks mismanaged Dach, we aren't really doing him any favours either.

Center and top pairing D are the toughest positions in hockey and not every player can pull it off. I compared his time at center to the Drouin experiment, and what I meant was that neither one is a center, but being played in the role and being exposed for the lack of execution.

Kirby Dach's injuries are not the reason he isn't a good center. The issue lies with his defensive zone awareness and hockey IQ. He is fine on the attack and around the opposition's net but lost on the defensive side of things.

...he's a winger; it's pretty clear to see that he doesn't have the GAME to play Center at the NHL level...they need to find a 2C and start playing Dach again on the RW where he seems much more comfortable and doesn't have the defensive responsibilities of a center...

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

I think he's a perfectly capable 3rd liner assuming he stays healthy, but the words Kirby and elite do not belong in the same sentence.

I beg to differ, he has shown flash of elite playmaking, it's bread and butter, remember when he played on the wing with Suzu and Cauf ?

 

[26Mats]

I would.


Can't imagine a line of Newhook - Dach - Anderson amounting to much, even playing against weaker opposition.

It doesn't seem Dach is the best C for Laine and Demidov next year, or whoever the 2nd line wingers are.

But Newhook - Dach - Anderson did well when they were together this year. Newhook and Anderson are bottom sixers. May be good for Dach to have less pressure in a bottom six role as he tries to work himself back.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Beck auditioning for the 2c role right now, with Dach sliding to the 3rd line between Newhook and Anderson

Dach is done at center.
And next year’s 2C will have experience at that position. They’re done with trials and auditions … and recoveries.

They’re gonna lock down their centers in the off-season.

 

[ReHabs]

Be patient with Newhook, I still believe he can be a solid 3rd line player producing 40+ pts.

His PPG and points/60 don’t seem to indicate anything of the sort. He’s on pace for 25pts on a 2nd line TOI.

I think his wheels means we can maybe use him in the 3rd line but the fact is the trade was a bust, no one would make it again if they knew this was the player and performance we’d receive.

 

[26Mats]

Dach is done at center.
And next year’s 2C will have experience at that position. They’re done with trials and auditions … and recoveries.

They’re gonna lock down their centers in the off-season.

If the plan is to definitely get the 2nd center of the next 10 years over the summer, HuGo must be really hoping we tank. Because a top 5 pick would be better than any asset we have in terms of procurring such a center.

I think they'll be patient and will wait for the right deal to get the right player.

 

[gusfring]

What have we learned from this?
Accelerating the rebuild for tweeners ain't worth it.

Tank or proven assets is the way to go.

I don't mind the flyer on dach so much but its basically a 13th overall gone down the drain , it is what it is , win some lose some

This helped Florida see Bennett and Reinhart.

 

[le_sean]

Would I give the #13 for a 6f4 220+ physical, elite playmaking making 45-50 points on our 3rd line and second pp, hell yeah I would

Let me know when the Habs acquire such a player. Because right now we have a 30 point 6’4 softie, average playmaker with a muffin shot.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Let me know when the Habs acquire such a player. Because right now we have a 30 point 6’4 average playmaker with a muffin shot.

Let me know when he can stay healthy and play with healthy player, not a nearly broken Laine or Newhook

Don't you remember the Kirby Dach on the wing with Suzuki ?

Average playmaking , no way Jose, muffin shot who cares he was never drafted for his shot, the physical part should come if he can stay freakin healthy and gain mental toughness, but don't tell me you don't see some physicality in him unless you guys have your hate glass on

 

[Goalfield13]

Let me know when he can stay healthy and play with healthy player, not a nearly broken Laine or Newhook

Don't you remember the Kirby Dach on the wing with Suzuki ?

Average playmaking , no way Jose, muffin shot who cares he was never drafted for his shot, the physical part should come if he can stay freakin healthy and gain mental toughness, but don't tell me you don't see some physicality in him unless you guys have your hate glass on

He has never been able to stay healthy his entire NHL career. His career can be summed up in two statements: "Just wait for him to recover from his ___ injury." and "He just needs to be put in ____ situation to get confidence." That's Kirby Dach.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

He has never been able to stay healthy his entire NHL career. His career can be summed up in two statements: "Just wait for him to recover from his ___ injury." and "He just needs to be put in ____ situation to get confidence." That's Kirby Dach.

Yes for sure, even in junior he had major injury, I guess we'll have to be patient with him and hope for the best, cause we'll get what, a 3rd ? If we are lucky maybe no cap dumb back