Maybe Dervin is available as a call-up, but SAC retain the rights to Dervin for his senior season?
Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I
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As I expected, he isn’t a part of their plans this season. It wasn’t realistic to sign him and bring him in this season. He is playing U-18 and the pace in the U-18 loop vs the OHL is crazy different. Asking a kid like this to step into the OHL mid-season with such a pace gap and expecting him to adjust during a Championship run wasn’t realistic. He was either being signed for next year or as a trade chip. Looks like we have our answer, next year.
Plus, this would be his final year of school. It didn’t make sense for him to leave st Andrews. Theoretically speaking, they could still trade his rights if it made sense but I think this is as it is being presented, a signing for next year’s rebuild.
Plus, this would be his final year of school. It didn’t make sense for him to leave st Andrews. Theoretically speaking, they could still trade his rights if it made sense but I think this is as it is being presented, a signing for next year’s rebuild.
As stated in an earlier post, I think Kingston should be targeting players like Clattenburg and/or McCue, not top point producers like Musty, Pinelli and Romani.
I think you'll have to a bit better than 2,3,3,5 and filler for a World Junior caliber player, but a trade along those lines is definitely a possibility. A guy like Vann Williamson instead of Velliaris or an additional 2nd rounder would probably be considered.
St. Andrews probably has a better development program than any jr team in Ontario.
Allard is probably worth Heyes, 2,3,3,5. If the Soo has a silly ask just pivot to Swick, VanSteensel, McCoy, …
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St Andrews is a good program. There is no doubt about that but players go there more because of the education aspect. The prep school really does help prepare the player for higher education. It is good that he is graduating there before coming to the OHL.
I think you are pretty accurate on Allard. That may even be a bit much to be honest. I’d think that is the max. If you look at the Kressler, Dubois, Maillet and Mayer deals last year, they hovered in that range with Maillet being the highest with the 2-3-3-5. I think Allard is in the same range as those players value wise. And, as you point out, there are others that would fill a similar role potentially available and easily acquired.
Yeah, I don’t think Allard is setting a new cost standard for OAs. He is not Wakely even if one person describes Allard as WJC calibre. Allard (might) be the best fit for Brampton or Kingston, so a return on the higher side of precedented prices should not surprise.
In addition to an excellent education, SAC provides equal or better coaching and training infrastructure than any junior team in Ontario.
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The fact he is a centre would make a difference but I cannot see a Wakely style deal either.
LW for Kingston unless moving Hopkins to wing I think, and probably #1 centre for Brampton.
I really like the idea of Allard-McNamara-Uronen TBH
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I think they would keep Allard at centre as well. I think Hopkins or Allard on line 2-3 doesn’t really make much of a difference. Each line will have a responsibility and Allard ont he 3rd line probably makes more sense as a shut down style line.
You can argue that those players are comparable to Allard offensively, but I think you underestimate the value that teams put on an elite shutdown centre.
Allard has played a lot of LW. While I am certain that he is better defensively than McNamara, Allard is not a creative puck distributor by any means. Just a personal preference, I think Allard-McNamara-Urononen would work better than McNamara at LW.
Oh, I would say without doubt that those players are better than Allard offensively. I would not not describe Allard as elite defensively, or even equal to Wakely. I would have a slight preference of Allard over VanSteensel because he is faster and heavier.
Trading for Allard to have him play Wing wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for Kingston imo.
His profile is basically that of a 2 way forward but doesn't have much of a shot but brings a physical side.
I think having him C Uronen is probably the way to go as Uronen needs a strong C who can win battles and pass the rock.
I think if you have him on the wing with offensive expectations they would be disappointed.
His profile is basically that of a 2 way forward but doesn't have much of a shot but brings a physical side.
I think having him C Uronen is probably the way to go as Uronen needs a strong C who can win battles and pass the rock.
I think if you have him on the wing with offensive expectations they would be disappointed.
I know you’re not acquiring Allard for his ability to distribute the puck. He is fast and heavy, and determined to win battles and races for the puck.
Probably comes down to F/O success for the decision.
I haven't looked into the data but i'm guessing he's a better Faceoff guy then Mcnamara.
Luckily, we have experts and scouts who would strongly, strongly disagree with you about his defense. He made team Canada because of it and he got drafted as a 19 year old (rare) because of it. That matches up with the eye test as well.
I'll take their opinion over that of a person who has a deeper hatred for Allard's team than anyone I have ever discussed hockey with.
Idk that stat either. I’d guess 50-50 or I’d be aware
Only god knows what hockey Canada was thinking, it was such a reach.
There's a difference between a WJC player and an WJC calibre player - I think everyone understands that they don't always take the best players and IMO this is a clear case of it - I have nothing against Allard but using WJC tag to inflate his value isn't fair to him as a player. No team is going to pay more just because he played WJC.
The fact he's the only WJC skater that is back as an OA is a clear indictment that it was a questionable selection.
That argument is somewhat valid. They selected Allard because he was the best defensive center available to them and they needed someone to fill that role in the bottom 6. We often see people surprised when a top scorer is snubbed.
He's back as an OA because he's a late bloomer. He started in the OHL late, missed an entire year due to injury, and got drafted late. It has little or nothing to do with his skill level.
Fans are always surprised at the price that junior or NHL drafted players go for. I think that's an indication of skills that go unrecognized by average fans, including myself.
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May not be pretty tomorrow night.
Sounds like the bug that had Lalonde out is going through the room this week.
Sounds like the bug that had Lalonde out is going through the room this week.
Should be a competitive game even if the Fronts are down a few players - so will the Knights.
Cowan - Out with lingering Injury
Barkey - Most likely wont play (recovering from illness)
Halttunen - Suspension (checking from behind - 4 games)
Boulton - Suspension (Slashing - # of games still being reviewed)
Halttunen had 4pts in 6 games with San Jose Barracuda and is sent back to London
Ludwinski has 1 pt in 13 games with Rockford IceHogs and is still in AHL
What am I missing?
Cowan - Out with lingering Injury
Barkey - Most likely wont play (recovering from illness)
Halttunen - Suspension (checking from behind - 4 games)
Boulton - Suspension (Slashing - # of games still being reviewed)
Halttunen had 4pts in 6 games with San Jose Barracuda and is sent back to London
Ludwinski has 1 pt in 13 games with Rockford IceHogs and is still in AHL
What am I missing?
