Kings Drafting Under Dean And Futa

[Reclamation Project]

Some Data On The Kings Drafting Under Dean And Futa -

2006 - 7 picks; 3 impact NHL players (Bernier, Lewis, and Zatkoff).
2007 - 10 picks; 4 impact NHL players (Hickey, Simmonds, Martinez, and King).
2008 - 9 picks; 3 impact NHL players (Doughty, Voynov, and Loktionov).
2009 - 10 picks; 3 impact NHL players (Schenn, Clifford, Nolan).
2010 - 5 picks; 1 impact NHL player (Toffoli).
2011 - 6 picks; 0 impact players.
2012 - 6 picks; 1 impact player (Pearson).
2013 - 7 picks; 0 impact players.

Impact players are ones that have played a fair amount in the NHL and will stay up (Vey, Forbort, Campbell, etc. weren't counted, but have a high likelihood of playing a duration of time in the NHL one day). Bolded are on the Kings current roster.

Obviously the later drafts shouldn't be weighed so heavily because of development time, but I put them in. Pearson was a very special exception given his age and development progress.

Some notes -
- 2008 was a monster draft for the Kings. Doughty and Voynov will be cornerstone pieces of this defense for 15 years, if not more.
- 19 players (17 percent of all picks since 2006) have played at least one NHL game.
- Regardless if they currently play on the Kings or not, Dean and Futa (and everyone else we don't hear about as often) have drafted legitimate NHL players in almost every draft. 2011 is pretty lean.
- Colten Teubert was picked over Erik Karlsson (two picks later), Michael Del Zotto, Jordan Eberle, and John Carlson. All were picked in the first round.
- Gonna go down a bottle of Jack Daniel's.

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[raswilliam]

- Colten Teubert was picked over Erik Karlsson (two picks later), Michael Del Zotto, Jordan Eberle, and John Carlson. All were picked in the first round.
- Gonna go down a bottle of Jack Daniel's.

Also could have had Tyler Myers instead of Tuebert

 

[Scottkmlps]

Just one correction RP, 2006 was Murray's last draft. That was the year Dean was hired and he went with Murray's suggestions. I remember that draft, they panned on Lombardi and he looked absolutely bored. He had the, "Yeah, let's just get this over with so I can fire your ***" look.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Ah damn, that's right!

 

[KingKopitar11*]

I think if Pearson keeps doing better, he will be the best prospect to develop and make an impact in years.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I think if Pearson keeps doing better, he will be the best prospect to develop and make an impact in years.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Tyler took longer. I'm talking about the shortest time in the organization. Pearson was drafted in 2012 and he's already looking a lot better in a shorter time span than Toffoli did. I'm not saying Pearson is better. Just how quickly he got drafted and got better.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Tyler took longer. I'm talking about the shortest time in the organization. Pearson was drafted in 2012 and he's already looking a lot better in a shorter time span than Toffoli did. I'm not saying Pearson is better. Just how quickly he got drafted and got better.

Pearson was much further along and older when the Kings drafted him. Toffoli was only 18.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Pearson was much further along and older when the Kings drafted him. Toffoli was only 18.

I never said anything about age, you boob

 

[Reclamation Project]

I never said anything about age, you boob

Shortest time of development is directly associated with how old he was when the Kings drafted him!

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Shortest time of development is directly associated with how old he was when the Kings drafted him!

No boob, I was strictly talking about joining the organization to making an impact.

 

[Reclamation Project]

No boob, I was strictly talking about joining the organization to making an impact.

 

[kingsfan28]

Just one correction RP, 2006 was Murray's last draft. That was the year Dean was hired and he went with Murray's suggestions. I remember that draft, they panned on Lombardi and he looked absolutely bored. He had the, "Yeah, let's just get this over with so I can fire your ***" look.

I totally remember that look. They even interviewed him and he said that this wasn't really his draft and he was going on the suggestions of Murray. I still believe that if Lombardi isn't the gm at the time, the Kings don't take Bernier. That was a move to impress the new boss who is known for drafting goalies.

 

[kingsfan28]

I think if Pearson keeps doing better, he will be the best prospect to develop and make an impact in years.

That 2012 draft has been pretty good for a lot of teams. I think more than half are already playing in the NHL now. Lumbus turned down that pick too.

 

[Reclamation Project]

That 2012 draft has been pretty good for a lot of teams. I think more than half are already playing in the NHL now. Lumbus turned down that pick too.

*Lolololololumbus.

Yakupov , Murray, Galchenyuk, Lindholm, Trouba, Hertl (el oh el), Maatta, and Pearson have all played NHL games and were first round picks.

 

[agentfouser]

Just one correction RP, 2006 was Murray's last draft. That was the year Dean was hired and he went with Murray's suggestions. I remember that draft, they panned on Lombardi and he looked absolutely bored. He had the, "Yeah, let's just get this over with so I can fire your ***" look.

It'd be nice to add a few of Taylor's years onto the front of the table so we can compare.

 

[Andrew Knoll]

It'd be nice to add a few of Taylor's years onto the front of the table so we can compare.

Or what the league average is, but I think for a quick-hitting look, this got the discussion going.

Voynov a cornerstone for the next 15 years? I wouldn't have said that when he was playing better than he is now.

 

[agentfouser]

Or what the league average is, but I think for a quick-hitting look, this got the discussion going.

Voynov a cornerstone for the next 15 years? I wouldn't have said that when he was playing better than he is now.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. I'd also like to know (a) which teams have the highest-drafted players, averaged over the whole team, and (b) how draft position correlates to #fancystats like Corsi or Fenwick.

Someone other than me would have to sit down and actually grind out that data though.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Not me

 

[The Slap Shop]

*Lolololololumbus.

Yakupov , Murray, Galchenyuk, Lindholm, Trouba, Hertl (el oh el), Maatta, and Pearson have all played NHL games and were first round picks.

I don't think this is something you can laugh at Columbus for. It was the last pick in the 1st round, so unless the Kings repeated they were guaranteed an earlier pick. Also they had to let LA know 2 picks before hand whether or not they wanted it.

Whether Marko Dano pans out or not who knows. Plus Dano is 2(and I believe 4 draft classes) years younger than Pearson is.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I don't think this is something you can laugh at Columbus for. It was the last pick in the 1st round, so unless the Kings repeated they were guaranteed an earlier pick. Also they had to let LA know 2 picks before hand whether or not they wanted it.

Whether Marko Dano pans out or not who knows. Plus Dano is 2(and I believe 4 draft classes) years younger than Pearson is.

Yeah I would have waited as the worst case scenario is LA would have won another Cup and the pick would be #30.

Why do you guys always have to use logic when I want to make fun of someone?

 

[King'sPawn]

I think if Pearson keeps doing better, he will be the best prospect to develop and make an impact in years.

Tyler took longer. I'm talking about the shortest time in the organization. Pearson was drafted in 2012 and he's already looking a lot better in a shorter time span than Toffoli did. I'm not saying Pearson is better. Just how quickly he got drafted and got better.

No boob, I was strictly talking about joining the organization to making an impact.

So... which is it? Best prospect developed in years? Fastest development in years? Or Making the most immediate impact? Because all three are separate arguments.

 

[agentfouser]

I took it back to to the first Clinton administration.

1995 - 9 picks; 2 NHL players (Aki Berg, Vladimir Tsyplakov)
1996 - 10 picks; 2 NHL players (Josh Green, Belanger)
1997 - 9 picks; 2 NHL players (Jokinen, Corvo)
1998 - 9 picks; 1 NHL player (Matthieu Biron)
1999 - 10 picks; 3 NHL players (Kaberle, McGratton, Parros
2000 - 11 picks; 3 NHL players (Frolove, Lilja, and Visnovsky).
2001 - 11 picks; 3 NHL players (Steckel, Cammalleri, Huet).
2002 - 11 picks; 2 NHL players (Grebeshkov, Rome).
2003 - 10 picks; 3 NHL players (Brown, Boyle, Tambellini).
2004 - 8 picks; 0 NHL players (Scott Parse is as good as this gets).
2005 - 7 picks; 2 NHL player (Kopitar, Quick).

Because it has been long enough to get a sense of what these guys' careers are like, I basically counted anyone with over 150 games (about two seaons). Bolded are on the Kings current roster.

Some notes -
Ouch. 2003 especially, the historically deep draft.

It's hard to tell if the drafting was just that bad at identifying talent, or if the organization was just that bad at developing talent.

 

[ukyo]

Thought I'd do the comparison with the other scouting staffs in the league using RP's definitions (roughly).

Between the 2007 and 2009 drafts (I booted 2010 and 2011 because most teams had zero impact players)...
League average "impact" players was 1.82 per year (or 5.47 over the three years)
League average hit rate on impact players was 25.5%

The top ten...

1. NYI: 9/25 = 36.0% (Bailey, Hamonic, Donovan, Poulin, Martin, Spurgeon, Tavares, de Haan, Cizikas)
2. MIN: 6/17 = 35.3% (Gillies, Falk, Scandella, Leddy, Kuemper, Haula)
3. NAS: 9/26 = 34.6% (Blum, Spaling, Wilson, Josi, Lindback, Ellis, Smith, Ekholm, Bourque)
4. LAK: 10/29 = 34.5% (Hickey, Simmonds, Martinez, King, Doughty, Voynov, Loktionov, Schenn, Clifford, Nolan)
5. BUF: 7/22 = 31.8% (Tropp, Byron, Myers, Ennis, Adam, Kassian, Foligno)
6. COL: 7/23 = 30.4% (Shattenkirk, Galiardi, Malone, Duchene, O'Reilly, Elliott, Barrie)
7. OTT: 6/20 = 30.0% (Karlsson, Wiercioch, Smith, Cowen, Silfverberg, Lehner)
8. SJS: 6/20 = 30.0% (Couture, Bonino, Braun, McLaren, Wingels, Demers)
9. TBL: 7/24 = 29.2% (Killorn, Stamkos, Wright, Barberio, Hedman, Ashton, Panik)
10. ANA: 7/25 = 28.0% (Tangradi, Gardiner, Schultz, McMillan, Holland, Palmieri, Vatanen)

Notes:

• At the bottom of the heap is poor Vancouver, coming in at a miserable 2/18 or 11.1% hit rate (and I'm even counting Jordan Schroeder as an "impact" player, but he is really on the bubble). They are a fricking mess.
• Surprisingly, Boston is near the bottom as well at 2/17 or 11.8%.
• This is of course not taking into account draft positions. Several teams show up well with lottery picks. But so do the Kings with Doughty and Schenn. If I have time I'll do another set using only rounds 2-7.

But wow, that is pretty good. OK, now I'm on-board the keep-Futa bandwagon. Good thing he's already extended.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

So... which is it? Best prospect developed in years? Fastest development in years? Or Making the most immediate impact? Because all three are separate arguments.

All 3.