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morrielly

morrielly

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is it safe to call him a 30+ goal ppg winger?
he was 36goals ppg last season and after the slowest start of his leaf career+losing lupul (who many attributed his success to) hes almost back to ppg. and this is all with bozak a second/third line defensive-minded center (imo) with him. i would say right now hes around top 5 offensive wingers in the world. and hes 25. why do people want to trade him?
 
pretty clear that's the kind of player he is, yes.

and he's done it with Tyler Bozak as his centre.
 
I want him to stay for A LONG time. he is one of the best in the leageu
 
he's a very good goal scorer and playmaker. Get him players that can score and make plays consistently and he'll produce even more.
 
My only real worry about Kessel can be easily shown in this chart:

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The amount of 30 goal scorers in the league drop rather drastically after the age of 26 or 27.

40 goal scorers, which if given a proper centre he would achieve IMO, drops even more.
 
Probably the most skilled and productive winger we have had since Alexander Mogilny.

Which says a lot.

No, I wouldn't build a franchise around him, but having him as an offensive threat will certainly take the ease off of our secondary units and our #1 Center in the future.

He's an important piece to the future if this team plans on competing soon.
 
ChuckWoods said:
Probably the most skilled and productive winger we have had since Alexander Mogilny.

Which says a lot.

No, I wouldn't build a franchise around him, but having him as an offensive threat will certainly take the ease off of our secondary units and our #1 Center in the future.

He's an important piece to the future if this team plans on competing soon.
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To be fair, our wingers have been pretty garbage ever since Mogilny left, outside of Tucker
 
If he's out of shape now how difficult is it going to be maintaining the pace in his early 30's unless he starts working with somebody like Gary Roberts?
 
Funk Volume said:
To be fair, our wingers have been pretty garbage ever since Mogilny left, outside of Tucker
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Haha that is a valid point.

But my point remains, that skilled wingers such as Kessel don't just grow on trees.

Especially having the luxury of keeping on within the franchise for another 10 seasons or so if managment see's fit.
 
I think at this point it's safe to call him a 30G-PPG winger. At the very least we can call him a consistent 30G scorer, and a threat to hit PPG. The fact that he's done it with a 3rd line center and turned a player with a career high of 20G into a 40G (pace) scorer is just gravy.

Those who want to trade Phil Kessel because he can't single-handedly lead the team to victory are out to lunch. Kessel is what he is, one of the leagues top offensive players; a consistent scorer who excels on the PP, a great playmaker and is also one of the quickest players leaguewide.

If we are ever able to acquire a real #1 center we will see the true value of a guy like Kessel. He's Chicago's Kane to their Toews, NYI's Moulson to their Tavares, Pittsburgh's Neal to their Malkin ... Kunitz to their Crosby :sarcasm:

As we saw during the Mats Sundin era, acquiring a top-line winger who also happens to be an equally astute playmaker and goal scorer is a very tough task to achieve. For that matter, Kessel's 11/12 point totals (82pts) are the most we've had by a winger on the Toronto Maple Leafs since Dave Andreychuk posted 99pts in 93/94 playing alongside Doug Gilmour and Wendel Clark. We're literally talking almost 20years since we've had an offensive talent on the wing like Phil Kessel!

..But in typical Maple Leaf fashion, nothing is ever good enough for us. He finished 6th overall in scoring last season but he doesn't play the right style for our team. We'd rather have low scoring grinders who play hockey the "right way" instead of young dynamic players who can score goals, make plays and win us games. :shakehead

If we run Kessel out of town after how he's developed on this team I will be ashamed.
 
if we sign a guy like perry to take over first line duties and give kessel some "sheltered" minutes on the second line with kadri and lupul/jvr...oh mann... i dont think many people will give a **** about his physical play
 
Erdinger said:
What if he just decides to leave after next season? How will you feel then?
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I think Dave Nonis should really make it his main priority to sign Phil Kessel to a longterm extension this offseason. However, if we trade him at the 13/14 deadline, I will understand it's because he didn't want to resign with this team.

I don't foresee a scenario where Kessel makes it to free agency. As we have seen Nonis is both very patient and particularly frugal with his assets. If Kessel and his agent are unresponsive after a summer and half season of contract negotiations I think Nonis knows what needs to be done.

We aren't a Stanley Cup contender, this season or next. Pulling a New Jersey Devils(Zach Parise) or Nashville Predators(Ryan Suter) and retaining our top talent to make a run for the Cup isn't in the books for us.
 
HockeyThoughts said:
I think at this point it's safe to call him a 30G-PPG winger. At the very least we can call him a consistent 30G scorer, and a threat to hit PPG. The fact that he's done it with a 3rd line center and turned a player with a career high of 20G into a 40G (pace) scorer is just gravy.

Those who want to trade Phil Kessel because he can't single-handedly lead the team to victory are out to lunch. Kessel is what he is, one of the leagues top offensive players; a consistent scorer who excels on the PP, a great playmaker and is also one of the quickest players leaguewide.

If we are ever able to acquire a real #1 center we will see the true value of a guy like Kessel. He's Chicago's Kane to their Toews, NYI's Moulson to their Tavares, Pittsburgh's Neal to their Malkin ... Kunitz to their Crosby :sarcasm:

As we saw during the Mats Sundin era, acquiring a top-line winger who also happens to be an equally astute playmaker and goal scorer is a very tough task to achieve. For that matter, Kessel's 11/12 point totals (82pts) are the most we've had by a winger on the Toronto Maple Leafs since Dave Andreychuk posted 99pts in 93/94 playing alongside Doug Gilmour and Wendel Clark. We're literally talking almost 20years since we've had an offensive talent on the wing like Phil Kessel!

..But in typical Maple Leaf fashion, nothing is ever good enough for us. He finished 6th overall in scoring last season but he doesn't play the right style for our team. We'd rather have low scoring grinders who play hockey the "right way" instead of young dynamic players who can score goals, make plays and win us games. :shakehead

If we run Kessel out of town after how he's developed on this team I will be ashamed.
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oh man. if only i could put this post in my favourites :yo::handclap::handclap::yo:
best post ive read in a long time
 
People want to trade him because he has absolutely no physical aspect to his game. He has stepped it up a bit but his defensive play is still pretty bad. He can't really generate his own scoring chances like superstar players.

Hes a pure goal scoring sniper. With the right center he can be a 90point guy in my opinion. Look at the James Neal + Malkin combo. James Neal had average numbers in Dallas , nothing spectacular but now that he can get open and doesn't have to create his own chances. Hes a ppg guy 40+ goals.

Lupul was the playmaker on his line last year, you could see his decline in goals and production as soon as Lupes went down. People want him gone because he's going to want a raise, somewhere around the 6.5-7m range, that generally superstar players get which Kessel is not. I want to keep kessel for his scoring, but if thats who we want to label our franchise guy, no thanks. Need a player with more than one dimension to his game.
 
HockeyThoughts said:
I think at this point it's safe to call him a 30G-PPG winger. At the very least we can call him a consistent 30G scorer, and a threat to hit PPG. The fact that he's done it with a 3rd line center and turned a player with a career high of 20G into a 40G (pace) scorer is just gravy.

Those who want to trade Phil Kessel because he can't single-handedly lead the team to victory are out to lunch. Kessel is what he is, one of the leagues top offensive players; a consistent scorer who excels on the PP, a great playmaker and is also one of the quickest players leaguewide.

If we are ever able to acquire a real #1 center we will see the true value of a guy like Kessel. He's Chicago's Kane to their Toews, NYI's Moulson to their Tavares, Pittsburgh's Neal to their Malkin ... Kunitz to their Crosby :sarcasm:

As we saw during the Mats Sundin era, acquiring a top-line winger who also happens to be an equally astute playmaker and goal scorer is a very tough task to achieve. For that matter, Kessel's 11/12 point totals (82pts) are the most we've had by a winger on the Toronto Maple Leafs since Dave Andreychuk posted 99pts in 93/94 playing alongside Doug Gilmour and Wendel Clark. We're literally talking almost 20years since we've had an offensive talent on the wing like Phil Kessel!

..But in typical Maple Leaf fashion, nothing is ever good enough for us. He finished 6th overall in scoring last season but he doesn't play the right style for our team. We'd rather have low scoring grinders who play hockey the "right way" instead of young dynamic players who can score goals, make plays and win us games. :shakehead

If we run Kessel out of town after how he's developed on this team I will be ashamed.
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Mogilny was better than Andrechuk and Kessel...that was only a good 10 years ago...
 
For the record, I'd only trade Kessel if he's not looking to extend here in the off-season. I think this summer's draft would be a good time to trade him, since:

1) I presume our management would have a good idea by then if he is interested in staying.

2) I think his limited NTC hasn't kicked in yet.


Can anybody clarify the two dates this summer:

1) When we are allowed to sign him to a new contract...after our season ends or openning day of free agency perhaps?

2) When his NTC kicks in for next year? It looks like there will be a small window to work within.
 
DionPhaneuf3 said:
People want to trade him because he has absolutely no physical aspect to his game. He has stepped it up a bit but his defensive play is still pretty bad. He can't really generate his own scoring chances like superstar players.

Hes a pure goal scoring sniper. With the right center he can be a 90point guy in my opinion. Look at the James Neal + Malkin combo. James Neal had average numbers in Dallas , nothing spectacular but now that he can get open and doesn't have to create his own chances. Hes a ppg guy 40+ goals.

Lupul was the playmaker on his line last year, you could see his decline in goals and production as soon as Lupes went down. People want him gone because he's going to want a raise, somewhere around the 6.5-7m range, that generally superstar players get which Kessel is not. I want to keep kessel for his scoring, but if thats who we want to label our franchise guy, no thanks. Need a player with more than one dimension to his game.
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Firstly, creating offense isn't just goal scoring, it includes setting up goals for your linemates too. Judging by the fact that he plays with a middle 6 (2nd/3rd line) center and a player on pace for ~40G and he is still able to score at a PPG pace himself.. I'd say creating offense is the least of his problems. However, I do concede that his physical game is almost non-existent but on the other hand he has been utitilizing his speed to be a more responsible defensive player with quite a few good defensive plays this season.

Secondly, 6.5M-7M isn't superstar money. It's star money, which Phil Kessel definitely is. He's a PPG top line winger and he deserves to be paid like it. Players paid in the range of 6-7M include:
Alex Semin 7M
Mikko Koivu 6.75M
Anze Kopitar 6.8M (signed pre-Cup win)
Brad Richards 6.6M
Paul Statsny 6.6M
Daniel Briere 6.5M
Patrick Kane 6.3M
Mike Cammalleri 6M
..etc

Superstar money is 7.5M+ which only the select few have been able to garner:
Alex Ovechkin 9.5M
Sidney Crosby 8.7M
Evgeni Malkin 8.7M
Eric Staal 8.25M
Ryan Getzlaf 8.25M
Rick Nash 7.8M
Steven Stamkos 7.5M
Zach Parise 7.5M
..etc
 
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