Value of: Karlsson at $5 million to Ottawa

[Xspyrit]

This didn't age well. The Sens are still below 0.500 with a negative goal differential.

lol what has not aged well exactly?

Still exactly the same situation, scoring depth is not contributing, Ullmark has been much better but not Forsberg. Hamonic is still playing and is a huge detriment. Sens lost the game last night despite the scoring chances being 34-11... Just look at the first 2 goals, a NHL team that wants to compete can't afford to play a guy like Hamonic.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Karlsson no longer fits in with Senators needs.

They need another Zub or Jensen, not less.

 

[Xspyrit]

Karlsson no longer fits in with Senators needs.

They need another Zub or Jensen, not less.

Zub misses a lot of games and when you're injury prone it also takes time to be able to get back at your top level... That is the problem

Karlsson is exactly what they need, because they need to score more at Even Strength and he has the most ES pts among D-men in the last 3 years.

Not saying it could happen though as usually players don't come back with a team where it didn't finish well, although it was under different ownership and management.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Zub misses a lot of games and when you're injury prone it also takes time to be able to get back at your top level... That is the problem

Karlsson is exactly what they need, because they need to score more at Even Strength and he has the most ES pts among D-men in the last 3 years.

Not saying it could happen though as usually players don't come back with a team where it didn't finish well, although it was under different ownership and management.

This team will live and die with chabot and Sanderson. They need to insulate them with solid defensive defenseman.

Karlsson was mediocre at best in his own end in his prime, now he is aging and gives even less of a shit. Plus he has never dominated on a team where he wasn't the only star player, and he wouldnt even be the most important defenseman on this team.

No thanks to Karlsson. Loved him in ottawa, but that time is over.

He will be chilling in the glebe in the summer if you really want to see him.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

He will be chilling in the glebe in the summer if you really want to see him.

Chilling in the glebe? Is that kind of like Gleaming the Cube?

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Karlsson is exactly what they need, because they need to score more at Even Strength and he has the most ES pts among D-men in the last 3 years.

one particular year is doing some heavy lifting in that 3-year sample, i wonder which one it could possibly be

 

[Xspyrit]

This team will live and die with chabot and Sanderson. They need to insulate them with solid defensive defenseman.

You're 100% right in theory but it might be too soon for Sanderson, he has only 2 pts at ES this season. Sanderson doesn't need a "solid defensive defenseman" like Chabot or Karlsson because his best quality is actually defensive play. Having Karlsson as a partner could even help him to produce at ES. Remember it would be Karlsson at 5 M$ in this scenario and only for 2.5 seasons, a stop gap while Yakemchuk develops. This would also prevent Hamonic from playing (HUGE bonus) and offset Zub constant injuries

Sanderson - Karlsson
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - JBD
Hamonic

Karlsson was mediocre at best in his own end in his prime, now he is aging and gives even less of a shit. Plus he has never dominated on a team where he wasn't the only star player, and he wouldnt even be the most important defenseman on this team.

But that's the thing... he wouldn't be brought up to dominate but to help out ES offense from the right side. He would also give more PP options. Maybe he'd give up more of a shit like you say if brought back to his Canadian hometown.

Karlsson is really poor at certain aspects of defense but has always been elite at other aspects. Being paired with Sanderson would actually be heavily beneficial for both IMO.

one particular year is doing some heavy lifting in that 3-year sample, i wonder which one it could possibly be

Ah ok didn't expect having to waste time on this but ok I guess

2021-22 : 49th but only played 50 games. He was 13th in Pts/60 at ES (min 50 GP)
2023-24 : 12th in ESP among D-men
2024-25 : 31st, 2 more pts and he is 18th

I never said Ottawa would need him to repeat any of his Norris seasons... just a stop gap for 2 seasons who would help driving the play at ES.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Ah ok didn't expect having to waste time on this but ok I guess

listen it would've been a hilarious bit if you were genuinely pointing out a 3-year sample that included his last SJS year (which i guess you were, but point taken)

 

[Xspyrit]

listen it would've been a hilarious bit if you were genuinely pointing out a 3-year sample that included his last SJS year (which i guess you were, but point taken)

I mean, it's pretty hard to explain everything to everyone in every post. Anybody knowing about that 2022-23 Karlsson season could have read that without wondering if using that whole 3 year stretch was badly intentioned.

What was my option? Take every season except that one? The point was simply to mention that he can produce at ES. I use facts all the time.

 

[The Waffler]

Like most of the league, Ottawa needs defensive guys on RD not offensive. Karlsson at 5mil at the expense of Zub or Jensen is a counterproductive move for Ottawa.

 

[SNES]

Have no interest in EK back to Ottawa…like zero, none, nodda, zip, zilch…maybe for a jersey retirement but that’s It…as has been said we need defensive d-men not EK.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Pick at least 2:
Amadio, Forsberg, Perron

That's what I'd pay for Karlsson at 50%. Pens would have zero interest (rightfully so) and I'm a fan of EK. He's just not a fit for anything of value on this roster.

 

[TheNumber4]

If Ottawa doesn’t want him, then no one wants him.


Anyways…. how about 1st and 4th for Karlsson @ 50%.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Sanderson - Karlsson would be a pretty solid pairing.

Sanderson can focus on his defensive game which is what makes him special and learn the offense from one of the best ever, and Karlsson can drive the ES play with his hockey sense and work magic with Stutzle and Co.

Sanderson-Zub/Karlsson
Chabot-Jensen/Zub
Kleven-Jensen/Karlsson

Is a an incredibly deep and versatile D core.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Sanderson - Karlsson would be a pretty solid pairing.

Sanderson can focus on his defensive game which is what makes him special and learn the offense from one of the best ever, and Karlsson can drive the ES play with his hockey sense and work magic with Stutzle and Co.

Sanderson-Zub/Karlsson
Chabot-Jensen/Zub
Kleven-Jensen/Karlsson

Is a an incredibly deep and versatile D core.

You're not wrong, but it's the cost of acquisition that's the problem. There's no incentive for Pittsburgh to pay 5.000 to give him away.

They won't want our scraps, and that's all we have to give.

 

[stempniaksen]

To Pittsburgh: David Perron + Mike Amadio + Jacob Bernard-Docker + Draft Pick (2nd+?)
To Ottawa: Erik Karlsson retained down to a $6.5 million Cap Hit

Penguins spread out of the money, get serviceable but not fantastic pieces that can either be flipped or fill in for pieces being flipped as they move forward with the re-tool and get out of the last year of EK's contract. Senators get a much more valuable piece for the next few seasons despite the players current flaws at the same cap hit as 2 veterans who just aren't working out at all in Ottawa.

 

[TheNewEra]

If Ottawa doesn’t want him, then no one wants him.


Anyways…. how about 1st and 4th for Karlsson @ 50%.

for a cheap enough price im sure ottawa management would consider it

that being said ottawa isnt in a position to trade a first

 

[TheNumber4]

for a cheap enough price im sure ottawa management would consider it

that being said ottawa isnt in a position to trade a first

Oilers are. I’d happily get rid of a 1st for him at 50%.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not interested,

but for cap to work they would have to take an injured Zub back.

Zub is likely gone in the summer anyways imo, misses to many games.

 

[biturbo19]

Has Karlsson really fallen below second pairing money? Five million USD seems like a good deal for a top 4 RHD. But I don't watch a lot of Pens games.

He's still capable of producing some points, but he's become such a huge liability defensively, i'm not sure what you'd even call him at this point. He can play Top-4 minutes, produce points, but he's also full value for his -10 and counting. The effort and give a shit defensively is just...absent.

I'm not entirely convinced that you can be a contender with that sort of liability in your Top-4D. So...i'm not sure what to label him as. At the very least, i think you'd have to have a heck of a defensively responsible 3 other guys in your Top-4D, and particularly, a very conscientious "stay-at-home" partner to clean up all his messes and deal with pretty much all of the actual in-zone defending.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It seems like the time for Karlsson to Ottawa has passed, but Ottawa desperately needs 5on5 production from their D and it appears that is not going to come from Sanderson like was assumed. Nobody on the right side currently provides much of any offense. I think they need a RD offensive specialist and we know it's improbable to draw quality free agents to Ottawa, so wouldn't be that shocked if this were at least looked in to.

 

[elmaco]

To Pittsburgh: David Perron + Mike Amadio + Jacob Bernard-Docker + Draft Pick (2nd+?)
To Ottawa: Erik Karlsson retained down to a $6.5 million Cap Hit

Penguins spread out of the money, get serviceable but not fantastic pieces that can either be flipped or fill in for pieces being flipped as they move forward with the re-tool and get out of the last year of EK's contract. Senators get a much more valuable piece for the next few seasons despite the players current flaws at the same cap hit as 2 veterans who just aren't working out at all in Ottawa.

Gross

 

[MCR74]

He's still capable of producing some points, but he's become such a huge liability defensively, i'm not sure what you'd even call him at this point. He can play Top-4 minutes, produce points, but he's also full value for his -10 and counting. The effort and give a shit defensively is just...absent.

I'm not entirely convinced that you can be a contender with that sort of liability in your Top-4D. So...i'm not sure what to label him as. At the very least, i think you'd have to have a heck of a defensively responsible 3 other guys in your Top-4D, and particularly, a very conscientious "stay-at-home" partner to clean up all his messes and deal with pretty much all of the actual in-zone defending.

What do you mean "he's become such a huge liability defensively"?

 

[RickyLafleur]

You're not wrong, but it's the cost of acquisition that's the problem. There's no incentive for Pittsburgh to pay 5.000 to give him away.

They won't want our scraps, and that's all we have to give.

If Karlsson is as useless as everyone in this thread proclaims, and has a huge contract, why would the cost of acquisition exactly be a problem? Pittsburgh got him for a song from San Jose.

 

[KevinRedkey]

If Karlsson is as useless as everyone in this thread proclaims, and has a huge contract, why would the cost of acquisition exactly be a problem? Pittsburgh got him for a song from San Jose.

Because of the money they would be retaining. SJS didn't retain much per year. PIT would need to.