Value of: Kane and Lafferty to Tampa

[Point21]

Assuming Kane would waive for Tampa, what would be a realistic value from Tampa that could land both Kane and Lafferty

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[Flat Ronnie]

People are gonna shit all over this but if Kane wants to go to Tampa what are the Blackhawks gonna do?

Either keep him and get nothing, or trade him for the best you can.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

honestly I’m here for it. Toronto fans already calling for the parade after getting a -24 player savior.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

With Chicago owning so many Tampa picks, I can't see them helping them much. They don't want them to do well. Unless they are sending them to sabotage... It is pure genius.

Ultimately though, I'm not sure TB has enough assets left to do this? They'd need to dump players + add value for Kane and Laff. Isaac Howard is a decent prospect but that's almost where it ends...

 

[Flat Ronnie]

With Chicago owning so many Tampa picks, I can't see them helping them much. They don't want them to do well. Unless they are sending them to sabotage... It is pure genius.

Ultimately though, I'm not sure TB has enough assets left to do this? They'd need to dump players + add value for Kane and Laff. Isaac Howard is a decent prospect but that's almost where it ends...

Kane controls everything in this situation. If he only wants to go to one or two places the Hawks don't have a lot of options.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

Kane controls everything in this situation. If he only wants to go to one or two places the Hawks don't have a lot of options.

I don't disagree. If it is Tampa or bust, they'd do it. It'll just be a weird return and I doubt they'd include Lafferty just to boost them even more.

 

[Coffee]

Assuming Kane would waive for Tampa, what would be a realistic value from Tampa that could land both Kane and Lafferty

Is it true Sergachev takes more dumb penalties than Perry? I was reading your guys boards the other day

 

[rojac]

People are gonna shit all over this but if Kane wants to go to Tampa what are the Blackhawks gonna do?

Either keep him and get nothing, or trade him for the best you can.

I doubt Kane will limit his list of places he’ll go to one team. i believe when he talked about his decision, he mentioned doing right by the team by giving them his decision at least a week before the deadline. So he may feel he also do right by them by giving them options.

And why would he want to go to a team like Tampa Bay that’s going to lose in the first round?



just kidding, I think it’s going to be another close series.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

How would: they even do that?

Forget the money because I'm sure that part can be worked out.

But if I'm not mistaken they don't have a 1st until 2025.

How would this get done?

 

[Madap]

One good night against Toronto and Tampa fans want him to join their team, despite him sucking the rest of the year. Scared of facing Toronto, Tampa fans?

 

[These Are The Days]

Is it true Sergachev takes more dumb penalties than Perry? I was reading your guys boards the other day

Serg does so much dumb shit I have started to call him Windows 98 for it. Why? Because who in their right mind would use it just like no one in their right mind would do even half the dumb shit he does on a nightly basis

 

[Point21]

One good night against Toronto and Tampa fans want him to join their team, despite him sucking the rest of the year. Scared of facing Toronto, Tampa fans?

could say the same thing about Toronto overpaying for a 19 point forward and a 4th line center

 

[These Are The Days]

One good night against Toronto and Tampa fans want him to join their team, despite him sucking the rest of the year. Scared of facing Toronto, Tampa fans?

This has nothing to do with Toronto. We have a dynasty to complete.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Would the Lightning be able to afford both Kane and Lafferty in deal? Would be hard for you guys to fit Kane which would require a 3rd party involved to eat 25% of Kane's remaining cap + Hawks taking Namestnikov and Myers in deal

I dont see how you could afford both Kane and Lafferty with the cap room you have

 

[Point21]

Would the Lightning be able to afford both Kane and Lafferty in deal? Would be hard for you guys to fit Kane which would require a 3rd party involved to eat 25% of Kane's remaining cap + Hawks taking Namestnikov and Myers in deal

I dont see how you could afford both Kane and Lafferty with the cap room you have

we can fit both in just moving Namestnikov and Foote in the deal as long as we get a 3rd team in for max retention on Kane

 

[Rschmitz]

Hawks would simply have to be willing to accept a larger package of lesser pieces for the Lightning to have a chance. We don’t have blue chip prospects or 1sts

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

we can fit both in just moving Namestnikov and Foote in the deal as long as we get a 3rd team in for max retention on Kane

Looking at Capfriendly it doesn't appear possible for TB to add Kane (50% + 25%) and Lafferty by moving those two

And moving Myers is bigger benefit for Lightning cap wise then Foote

 

[Point21]

Looking at Capfriendly it doesn't appear possible for TB to add Kane (50% + 25%) and Lafferty by moving those two

right now Tampa has 720k in cap. Foote and Vladdy are 3.35m. so Tampa would have $4,070,000 in cap space. Kane at max retention is 2.625 and Lafferty is 1.15. would leave Tampa with just about 300k in cap space

 

[Northernhawk]

With Chicago owning so many Tampa picks, I can't see them helping them much. They don't want them to do well. Unless they are sending them to sabotage... It is pure genius.

Ultimately though, I'm not sure TB has enough assets left to do this? They'd need to dump players + add value for Kane and Laff. Isaac Howard is a decent prospect but that's almost where it ends...

Exactly, they’ve actually done the opposite and helped out TB divisional rivals...
Dach to MTL
DeBrincat to OTT
Mrazek out of TOR lol

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hawks would simply have to be willing to accept a larger package of lesser pieces for the Lightning to have a chance. We don’t have blue chip prospects or 1sts

Looking at Lightning there are really only 4 pieces that are appealing

Lightning 2025 1st
Lightning 2024 2nd
LW Issac Howard
LW Dylan Duke

Maybe C Gage Concalves would be appealing as well he seems to be doing ok in AHL

right now Tampa has 720k in cap. Foote and Vladdy are 3.35m. so Tampa would have $4,070,000 in cap space. Kane at max retention is 2.625 and Lafferty is 1.15. would leave Tampa with just about 300k in cap space

Cap Friendly Trade calculator doesn't seem to agree with this but maybe its wrong or I am doing it wrong

To
RW Patrick Kane (50% retained by Hawks+ 25% retained by 3rd party)
C/W Sam Lafferty

To
C Vladislav Namistnikov
LW Isaac Howard
LW Dylan Duke
Lightning 2024 2nd
Lightning 2025 1st

To 3rd party team
D Cal Foote
Hawks 2023 4th round pick

Maybe something like this

I would be fine with this deal. Howard/Duke have potential and those picks provide more draft capitol for rebuild effort.

At end of day only really think TB would be in on Lafferty or potentially Domi not Kane

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Looking at Capfriendly it doesn't appear possible for TB to add Kane (50% + 25%) and Lafferty by moving those two

And moving Myers is bigger benefit for Lightning cap wise then Foote

What if Kane's hip is bothering him too much to play, and he needs a month or so of physical therapy to get it back into playing condition.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

One good night against Toronto and Tampa fans want him to join their team, despite him sucking the rest of the year. Scared of facing Toronto, Tampa fans?

The leafs have done nothing of note since the 60s and you're trying to talk shit to us?

Looking at Lightning there are really only 4 pieces that are appealing

Lightning 2025 1st
Lightning 2024 2nd
LW Issac Howard
LW Dylan Duke

Maybe C Gage Concalves would be appealing as well he seems to be doing ok in AHL



Cap Friendly Trade calculator doesn't seem to agree with this but maybe its wrong or I am doing it wrong

To
RW Patrick Kane (50% retained by Hawks+ 25% retained by 3rd party)
C/W Sam Lafferty

To
C Vladislav Namistnikov
LW Isaac Howard
LW Dylan Duke
Lightning 2024 2nd
Lightning 2025 1st

To 3rd party team
D Cal Foote
Hawks 2023 4th round pick

Maybe something like this

I would be fine with this deal. Howard/Duke have potential and those picks provide more draft capitol for rebuild effort.

At end of day only really think TB would be in on Lafferty or potentially Domi not Kane

Haha anything else we can throw in for you, a new car, maybe a nice steak dinner? Jesus.

 

[cwede]

Assuming Kane would waive for Tampa, what would be a realistic value from Tampa that could land both Kane and Lafferty

With Chicago owning so many Tampa picks, I can't see them helping them much...

Gotta assume something like the Hagel return [Lafferty ain't Hagel(yet), but Kane included],
plus Tampa probably the team to comp the 3rd team which retains on Kane.

And as noted, Hawks have a vested interest in Bolts season ending sooner, rather than later

so this one is hard to see actually happening

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

i can see tampa going after Berbashev

Kane to CAR

Gavrikov to BOS

 

[Aoko]

Absolutely no flyin f***ing way Tampa can get Patrick Kane as well. With the way our cap books are? We don't want to fall in love with him and want to find a way to f*** up the books even more by trying to resign him.