PepperKeenan
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Chris Pronger and Al MacInnis both won the Norris when they were playing for the Blues, they did it in consecutive seasons in 1999 and 2000.
Player Discussion K'Andre Miller
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GENESISPuck94
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I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone he reminds me of that played for the Rangers the last 30 years. I honestly can't think of anyone.
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Nicklas Lidström and Chris Chelios on the Red Wings
Chris Pronger and Al McInnes on the Blues
Ray Bourque and Rob Blake on the Avalanche
Chris Chelios and Paul Coffey on the Blackhawks
Larry Robinson and Paul Coffey on the Kings
Sockosensei
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Agreed. Also, whose quote is this?
He finds openings where he breaks in for a nasty shot. With more experience, he'll find even more of those opportunities. He's also getting better at pushing point shots through.
The numbers depend on Power Play usage. Still, I can imagine a stretch of years where he scores around 12-15+ regular season goals despite limited PP time. 20+ is reachable.
Many big moment goals and shutdown defense.
If he starts to display more playmaking ability, watch out.
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Him and Fox don’t remind me of anyone. That’s a good thing
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The difference between Miller last season and this season is quite significant, he looks so impressive out there most of the time. He's a good skater for his size and better with the puck than you would think considering his physicality.
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As recent as January, there were massive holes in Miller's game that were exploited by opponents. The last 3 months he's been on another level. It's absolutely amazing to see the progression and like earlier in his career the curve being so steep, is amazing to see.
Here's the thing:
a.) K'Andre Miller is playing great right now
b.) K'Andre Miller wasn't playing well earlier in the season
Both can be true. One does not negate the other. People who called out the flaws in his game did so because they were there. And he improved.
Chimpradamus
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He has managed to work on his weaknesses and he has grown in his strengths. It may be a hot streak or it may be a new level of quality. At worst he has felt how you feel when you're in the zone. At the best he now knows alot more about how to tactically play hockey. As an optimist in this case, I think his teammates and coaches have taught him some things that has helped him a great deal how to think hockey.
Everyone said from the beginning that what he really needed was more reps. He has the physical tool box and skills to be an elite defender. He was just inexperienced as a defender because he switched form O to D late in his pre-nhl career. He's understanding the position more and more every game. Sky's the limit for the kid.
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If it means severely weakening the other pairs, then no. Lindgren-Fox and Trouba-Miller have looked just fine. Let's remember before Miller came along Trouba looked awful considering his contract. Since starting to play with Miller his game has increasingly gotten better in correlation to Miller's game improving. Coincidence?
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Marek Malik of course. The size and....well I guess that's it
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He reminds me a bit of a young Marc Staal though I think Miller is a better skater, has a better shot and is better with the puck and has better offensive instincts. He’s going to get better….maybe even significantly better.
For a number of years though Marc Staal was a premier shutdown defenseman. That size, lanky build, active stick and reach. With either Miller now or Staal then it was like fighting against an octopus. Until all those injuries Staal was a nightmare for guys like Ovechkin, Crosby and Malkin and he gave them all fits.
For a number of years though Marc Staal was a premier shutdown defenseman. That size, lanky build, active stick and reach. With either Miller now or Staal then it was like fighting against an octopus. Until all those injuries Staal was a nightmare for guys like Ovechkin, Crosby and Malkin and he gave them all fits.
romba
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He’s been better at not stopping his feet when guys try to beat him wide. Keep skating and stick check/poke check if they’re getting passed you. He’d try to push the player once they beat him wide and he’d lose all speed and momentum + the pushes don’t work on NHLers when they’re passed you. That push works against guys weaker on their skates but 9/10 NHLers will bounce off that once they’ve already passed you. Parallel to him or ahead of him? Sure. Passed him, no way.
An example is last game Letang pushed Panarin right before his behind the net goal. Panarin was skating away from Letang so not much momentum on the push, and Artemi easily kept his momentum and all of a sudden had some space to work as Letang’s push slowed Letang down but did nothing to Panarin (and Letang had to resort to repeated reaching slashes not called). NHLers getting pushed from behind while skating away rarely works unless your a monster.
Laf has shown improvement on the opposite in this regard. Earlier this year and definitely last year he’d lose control of the puck and his skates when pushed from any angle, he’s gotten much stronger on his skates and knows he can hang on to puck and make a play in those scenarios.
An example is last game Letang pushed Panarin right before his behind the net goal. Panarin was skating away from Letang so not much momentum on the push, and Artemi easily kept his momentum and all of a sudden had some space to work as Letang’s push slowed Letang down but did nothing to Panarin (and Letang had to resort to repeated reaching slashes not called). NHLers getting pushed from behind while skating away rarely works unless your a monster.
Laf has shown improvement on the opposite in this regard. Earlier this year and definitely last year he’d lose control of the puck and his skates when pushed from any angle, he’s gotten much stronger on his skates and knows he can hang on to puck and make a play in those scenarios.
GENESISPuck94
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One of my all-time favorite Rangers moments was Malik's ridiculous shootout goal. Of all guys Malik!Marek Malik of course. The size and....well I guess that's it
Holocene
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someone else said it in a gdt before and it made sense. miller’s got the best aspects of mcdonagh and staal. reach and suffocating board work of staal + skating, puck handling, and offensive ceiling of mcdonagh.
I think he has a moderate offensive future. If he can get up to 35-40 points a season or so, without PP, that'l be fine. Don't see him ever getting much PP time unless it's as a 2nd Dman, which I also expect Schneider could be. Would be odd to see two PP's, each with 2 Dmen, but I guess not impossible. His 200ft game and especially his defense though is what has him looking like he's coming into his own. I have a pretty good feeling that he will eventually take over as Fox's partner at some point soon.
And assuming Jones gets the 3rd pair LD spot next season, which I think is a good bet, Jones will probably also get good opportunity to QB the PP2. Schneider might get an opportunity with that also. But long term I think the top 4 will be Miller - Fox, Jones - Schneider. Once Trouba is gone at least. Meaning Lindgren either moves to another team or ends up the long term 3rd pair LD, which I can't see. And I think Schneider just has a more advanced offensive game than Miller. Which I think ultimately means Schneider ends up as the 2nd defender on either the PP1 or PP2. But it's possible they both could.
I just don't think he has the total high offensive game that you would want on a PP even though his shot is good. Or at least not the kind of level that would force a team to make room for him in their PP. If it came down to Schneider or Miller as a 2nd D for either PP, i think Schneider wins out. And Jones just seems an ideal PP2 QB and probably their highest capable offensive LD.
Miller will still be one of our most important players and I assume a PKer for the long haul. I don't know if Nurse is a great comparison, but I think they have some similarities. Hopefully the more positive elements. I was really worried coming off last season, heading into this one, that Miller just wasn't going to cut it. And especially the second half of this season, he's definitely taken huge strides. To the point where I do think he's going to move past Lindgren, possibly even as soon as next season and be locked onto Fox and the PK for his career. If he does add some offense along the way, that will be great.
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The kid is a stud. Needs to play top pair next year to take some of the pressure off Fox and tilt the ice for half the game. Bump Lindgren down to play with Schneider and pair Trouba with Jones so he can mentor another young D
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He has turned into such a clutch player this season. Hope he gets a long extension.
For his next trick he’s gonna show everyone why Tony D is an afterthought
LORDE
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He's still young.
He's still filling out.
He's learning very quickly.
He's gonna be a damn beast
He's still filling out.
He's learning very quickly.
He's gonna be a damn beast
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