Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko: Part IV

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The comp was there all along... never seen anyone bring it up.. but I'd do cartwheels if he can develop into Mark Stone type of player.

A Rich Mans Mark Stone ceiling is 'the tits'. -Bill Pidto

Stylistically he is a great fit with Panarin IMO

That’s a pretty good one. The one thing for me is that (although he was much older when he broke into the league) Stone is a guy who averages about 45-55 hits per season, over a hit per game in the playoffs and overall asserts himself more physically than Kakko. Similar puck skills and possession strengths, and 50 hits per season isn’t particularly physical, but he asserts himself physically in other ways and the hits are just that last bit of doing everything to keep the cycle alive or maintain possession. So far Kakko has registered 31 hits in 93 career games including play-ins. Raw hit totals are subjective to stats keepers and this is by no means a “moar tuff!” criticism, but I’d just like to see Kakko learn to use that size a little more assertively. He has these tremendous possession tools and if he would play with a bit more edge (again, not talking a big hitter or hitting for the sake of hitting) he could force defenders to respect his size and tools even more and also keep certain plays alive better.

I’m very happy with his overall play but every game I see a guy coming out of the corner with the puck and KK goes for the reaching stick check and refuses to initiate the contact and almost every time the guy just moves it up the wall past KK and he peels off and doesn’t even make the little bump. I think just upping his aggression by 20% would do wonders.
 
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That’s a pretty good one. The one thing for me is that (although he was much older when he broke into the league) Stone is a guy who averages about 45-55 hits per season, over a hit per game in the playoffs and overall asserts himself more physically than Kakko. Similar puck skills and possession strengths, and 50 hits per season isn’t particularly physical, but he asserts himself physically in other ways and the hits are just that last bit of doing everything to keep the cycle alive or maintain possession. So far Kakko has registered 31 hits in 93 career games including play-ins. Raw hit totals are subjective to stats keepers and this is by no means a “moar tuff!” criticism, but I’d just like to see Kakko learn to use that size a little more assertively. He has these tremendous possession tools and if he would play with a bit more edge (again, not talking a big hitter or hitting for the sake of hitting) he could force defenders to respect his size and tools even more and also keep certain plays alive better.

I’m very happy with his overall play but every game I see a guy coming out of the corner with the puck and KK goes for the reaching stick check and refuses to initiate the contact and almost every time the guy just moves it up the wall past KK and he peels off and doesn’t even make the little bump. I think just upping his aggression by 20% would do wonders.
I think 24 year old kakko will throw his body around a lot more then 19 year old kakko. Just saying
 
I think 24 year old kakko will throw his body around a lot more then 19 year old kakko. Just saying

I imagine that he will, and I’m not worried, but the earlier he becomes comfortable and confident to do so, the greater reward we reap. I didn’t mean to imply that he won’t, only that it will elevate his game and translate into more possession.
 
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What also wouldn't hurt is to actually play PP2. You know, start the 2nd unit when the penalty occurs with your top players on the ice, like other teams are doing.

Absolutely. They always put out that first unit. and as a result the TOI goes down for the kid line.

Once that top unit gets out there they milk the hell out of it. As they should. But I wonder if DQ did that, the second unit would be constantly having to look at the bench if there are faceoffs 20, 40 or 60 seconds into the PP. That might even more frustrating seeing Quinn with the itchy trigger finger pulling them after just 32 seconds on the front end.
 
I would like to see Kakko working the wall opposite Zib and Panarin, or at least Buch - our leading scorer - on PP1. What is keeping your teams leading scorer on PP2 doing for you if you don’t play PP2? How many teams leading scorers are on the second PP?
 
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From an outsider looking in, it seems the rangers will have to decide if they want to go on a playoff run or develop their kids. Kakko should be on pp1 over buch. The identity of the team is a bit confusing.
Buch doesn't play PP1 either. Strome is the one on right side on PP1.
 
Buch doesn't play PP1 either. Strome is the one on right side on PP1.
Yup. Too many right handed players on PP1 and too many lefties on PP2 (not that PP2 sees much ice anyway). Strome needs to move from there for Buch or Kakko. Other teams know he isn't shooting from there and give him space to cover Zib and Panarin.
 
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Up 3-0 and still not giving him any pp time. I get sheltering guys but they should be begging for this kid to start putting up points. Put him in a position to do so. Mismanaged terribly.
 
Up 3-0 and still not giving him any pp time. I get sheltering guys but they should be begging for this kid to start putting up points. Put him in a position to do so. Mismanaged terribly.
Speaking to the choir but this team won’t take Strome off of the pp 1 unit
 
Speaking to the choir but this team won’t take Strome off of the pp 1 unit

Sorry not even a rangers fan but hardcore fantasy guy and ever since scouting kakko due to thinking the avalanche would pick top 2, I’ve loved his game and know he’s got a massive offensive ceiling. For the sake of my fantasy team I’d like to see him given the opportunity to break out offensively lol. Have watched nearly every game though and it’s pretty clear the stat sheet isn’t telling the whole story of his play lately.
 
Sorry not even a rangers fan but hardcore fantasy guy and ever since scouting kakko due to thinking the avalanche would pick top 2, I’ve loved his game and know he’s got a massive offensive ceiling. For the sake of my fantasy team I’d like to see him given the opportunity to break out offensively lol. Have watched nearly every game though and it’s pretty clear the stat sheet isn’t telling the whole story of his play lately.
I would be a little more patient with him.
He’s going to the net more. Unfortunately I don’t see him getting any kind of relevant pp time. I don’t know much about fantasy but I’m guessing it doesn’t reward for good d play because he’s been really good in his own zone.
 
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I would be a little more patient with him.
He’s going to the net more. Unfortunately I don’t see him getting any kind of relevant pp time. I don’t know much about fantasy but I’m guessing it doesn’t reward for good d play because he’s been really good in his own zone.


Agreed! You guys got a good one. if anything it’s very encouraging he’s figuring that side of his game out, lots of time left for the puck to start going in.
 
Agreed! You guys got a good one. if anything it’s very encouraging he’s figuring that side of his game out, lots of time left for the puck to start going in.
I'll say it again, most players who r elite show it in season one or within first 100 games or so. Kakko is approaching 100 games mark...maybe he will be a 15 goal 2nd line player...but n ot the scoring sensation we hoped for. I said most..not all
 
I'll say it again, most players who r elite show it in season one or within first 100 games or so. Kakko is approaching 100 games mark...maybe he will be a 15 goal 2nd line player...but n ot the scoring sensation we hoped for. I said most..not all


Yeah I don’t know if that can be said without a shred of pp time. Rangers would rather play strome 2 mins straight on the pp in a 6-1 game than attempt to get a young guy going offensively. Going to be hard to become a sensation when all the offence takes place on the pp.
 
There is 2nsides to that coin. Nyr are looking to win now....get into playoffs. Asking Quinn to work on kakko ice time...to risk not winning now..so he loses his job ??
 
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There is 2nsides to that coin. Nyr are looking to win now....get into playoffs. Asking Quinn to work on kakko ice time...to risk not winning now..so he loses his job ??

They should focus on rebuilding/developing their future franchise guys.

Trying to just make it while sacrifising their futures development isn’t worth it
 
8-3 win and he doesn't manage even a shot on goal.

I know it is a game of patience with this kid, but this is what becomes frustrating...
 
I'll be honest I didn't think that line clicked very well last night. But it was kind of a weird game for the NYR 5v5. How man 5v5 shifts did they even play before the game was out of hand?
 
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To be fair, we only had 22 shots as a team. Panarin also had zero shots on goal.
I personally don't believe comparing KK to Panarin from game to game basis is very genuine. Last night's game was funny bc in a lot of ways the flyers lost that game more so than the rangers won it. I just want to see KK consistently contribute generating chances even if it's not all points. I mean in the last ten games he has points in one game and has 1 shot or less in five of those games. Like I said, it isn't all about the points, but I think it is fair to want to see more generated...
 
I personally don't believe comparing KK to Panarin from game to game basis is very genuine. Last night's game was funny bc in a lot of ways the flyers lost that game more so than the rangers won it. I just want to see KK consistently contribute generating chances even if it's not all points. I mean in the last ten games he has points in one game and has 1 shot or less in five of those games. Like I said, it isn't all about the points, but I think it is fair to want to see more generated...

It's not, you are right. It was just to point out that Kakko not having any shots doesn't really mean much. He continues to do some good things. Despite the lack of offense, he is way better defensively than he was last year. Hopefully he can make a similar jump offensively in his 3rd season.
 
It's not, you are right. It was just to point out that Kakko not having any shots doesn't really mean much. He continues to do some good things. Despite the lack of offense, he is way better defensively than he was last year. Hopefully he can make a similar jump offensively in his 3rd season.
Here's hoping. Like I said I don't really care about points right now, I care more about generating chances. He doesn't shot enough on the rush so teams seem to always anticipate him forcing a pass. Even the best passers have to shoot to get the d to respect a shot chance and open up passing lanes.
 
8-3 win and he doesn't manage even a shot on goal.

I know it is a game of patience with this kid, but this is what becomes frustrating...
Panarin set him up for a one timer that for sure would have been a goal but he decided to receive the pass then take a second to shoot and the defender deflected it.
 
Panarin set him up for a one timer that for sure would have been a goal but he decided to receive the pass then take a second to shoot and the defender deflected it.
so more to my point then. he also seems to constantly force passes on the rush. i'm not sure if he just doesn't trust his shot at all or what is going on
 
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