Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko: Part III

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I believe that Kreider's contract becomes a a modified NTC after year 4 of the contract, so he will be movable right about when his game starts to slip. Chris Kreider - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Going to be pretty hard to trade that in 4 years if he is a 3rd line player that only scores 15-20 goals a season. He'll likely be a 3rd line player by the end of this season with players overlapping him.
 
Big Kakko fan here addressing few problems on his game and also have some ideas to develop him. Kakko has some problems with the ability to read the plays. His lower body strength doesn't allow him to be a strong skater yet and his skating gets hindered especially in the neutral zone. His short stick is sometimes a problem when trying to defend on the d-zone. His positioning has been pretty good on the d-zone that's really important. Once he gets a little bit more speed he will be a stronger 2-way player.

How to develop him. Give him some pp2-time. There is not a chance where B. Lemieux is more important to get going than Kakko. Kakko got his shifts stopped at every commercial and on every penalty. Patrik Laine was developed the same way at some point and it was really hard to get any confidence when the icetime was that limited. Chytil looks good and I don't want to complain about linemates it's important that he could try to build some chemistry with teammates bouncing him from line to line isn't the optimal way.

Also want to ask for some patience from fellow fans. I think New York is the city of traffic and hurrying. You should learn some patience and leisure with your prospects. It doesn't matter if Kakko would be the worst player on the team this year he still could be top10 in the NHL next year. Everything is possible with these youngsters so hold your horses.
 
I still think he'll get PP time soon, they're not gonna ignore that. I think the coach was pissed at the effort in game 1 and wanted to send that message by rewarding the 4th line guys who were like the only ones that looked halfway decent. and in terms of ES time he obviously wanted to avoid another loss so he leaned on his top 2 lines but I think he needs to start rolling his top 3 lines much better as the aseason goes along. They should all get about equal icetime ES
Shoudl be more ES time available as the season evens out too, lot more penlaties and such early on
I'm not a huge fan of the 'earn it!' approach in situations like this but I think he'll be given his icetime and chances as we get going here

I mainly just want to see him moving his feet more and attacking the puck. I think it was Buch who said he had to learn to try to attack the puck and take it away even if it seemed like there was almost no chance he could get it. coaches want to see that and ultimately at the NHL level it can make you a better and more active player
 
Going to be pretty hard to trade that in 4 years if he is a 3rd line player that only scores 15-20 goals a season. He'll likely be a 3rd line player by the end of this season with players overlapping him.
We'll likely need to retain some of his salary, but I think in 4 years he will still be a capable 2nd line center. The man is a workout freak and I see him still being a pretty good player by then.
 
I'm rewatching Kakko's highlights from the World Championships and he looks so quick when he was playing in them. We keep talking about his speed being an issue here, but the guy was flying out there and make quick smart decisions with the puck. He's involved on the forecheck. Everything we have been complaining about what he isn't doing, he did here. And to me it doesn't seem like the rink size is the reason. He looks like a totally different player on the rangers. It doesn't make any sense.

 
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I'm rewatching Kakko's highlights from the World Championships and he looks so quick when he was playing in them. We keep talking about his speed being an issue here, but the guy was flying out there and make quick smart decisions with the puck. He's involved on the forecheck. Everything we have been complaining about what he isn't doing, he did here. And to me it doesn't seem like the rink size is the reason. He looks like a totally different player on the rangers. It doesn't make any sense.



It's amazing, it has to be a confidence thing. He looks quicker there, he makes quick decisions, and he's aggressive and chases the puck. And he's on the ice against guys like not only Jack Hughes, but Ryan Suter, Jack Eichel, etc.
 
It's amazing, it has to be a confidence thing. He looks quicker there, he makes quick decisions, and he's aggressive and chases the puck. And he's on the ice against guys like not only Jack Hughes, but Ryan Suter, Jack Eichel, etc.
Yeah, I'm now also watching highlights from his first NHL game. It's the same thing. He was quicker and asserting himself into the game.

The only explanation is that Quinn has put such a tight leash on him that it has completely shot his confidence.

 
Yeah, I'm now also watching highlights from his first NHL game. It's the same thing. He was quicker and asserting himself into the game.

The only explanation is that Quinn has put such a tight leash on him that it has completely shot his confidence.



Well he looked much better last game so maybe the light bulb is starting to come on.

But I think he even looks tired in that video, compared to the World Championship highlights.
 
It was a contract that at the time made sense, not a bad contract but an understandable mediocre to poor contract.
we had panarin and then no one else on the left, and for the next 3 years kreider will absolutely have top 6 value, and the terms aren’t that bad. Getting laf absolutely changed things.
But no one ever expected the rangers to jump that far in the draft lotto. Plus I’d rather have too many talented forwards and have an ice time issue, than be forced to play a 4th liner on the 2nd.

The contract was signed with the knowledge that at best, the last 3 years would be an albatross.
 
Yeah, I'm now also watching highlights from his first NHL game. It's the same thing. He was quicker and asserting himself into the game.

The only explanation is that Quinn has put such a tight leash on him that it has completely shot his confidence.



Thats what he looked like last year before he ran out of gas.

I don't think that it's a Quinn thing as much as it is that. He's played all of 2 games this year and had pretty limited minutes. We should really give it a few weeks at least before making declarations.
 
Well he looked much better last game so maybe the light bulb is starting to come on.

But I think he even looks tired in that video, compared to the World Championship highlights.

True. He seemed the most dangerous on the power play. He should at the very least be getting PP2 minutes.
 
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Yeah, I'm now also watching highlights from his first NHL game. It's the same thing. He was quicker and asserting himself into the game.

The only explanation is that Quinn has put such a tight leash on him that it has completely shot his confidence.


U r absolutely right. Also, I blame the system Quinn uses. Rangers have such strong defenders with the puck at the moment and still, the system doesn't produce speed to get past the neutral zone. Only our strongest puck carriers and players with the most skill can overcome the trap.
 
So far after many games I’ve seen him play I’m still confused what kind of player Kokko is. Power forward? Shooter? Play maker? Grinder? PP specialist? Defense forward? He’s not fast, not too physical and not a good stick handler. Sure he is only 20 years old but if he was a later round pick he would not be playing right now. I hope at the end of the day he will prove me wrong but please describe what kind of player he is and will be
Not a good stick handler...? Wow, you must have seen ton of games from Kakko.
 
Not a good stick handler...? Wow, you must have seen ton of games from Kakko.

I mean he obviously has good puck skills but he's been such a non-factor in the NHL for the most part that we haven't really been able to see them on display. I agree with the poster's overall point. It's hard to see what Kakko is/will be with how much of a non-factor he's been. If it continues, you have to think about sending him down.

As for what will he be once he's hopefully a polished, impact NHL player, I'd look to his countryman Mikko Rantanen (yes big shoes to fill). All-around big-bodied winger who's biggest trait is playmaking.
 
Not a good stick handler...? Wow, you must have seen ton of games from Kakko.
Hes wrong but right in the idea that kakko doesnt really have a game in the nhl. From prior we know kakko’s game was possession in the corner/down low and fighting for the puck there. He isnt doing that anymore... much more passive, seems to always try to find soft pocket to open up for a shot these lasts game... he said his favorite/inspiration player was laine wasnt it ? Maybe hes going for that big scorer type now
 
I'm rewatching Kakko's highlights from the World Championships and he looks so quick when he was playing in them. We keep talking about his speed being an issue here, but the guy was flying out there and make quick smart decisions with the puck. He's involved on the forecheck. Everything we have been complaining about what he isn't doing, he did here. And to me it doesn't seem like the rink size is the reason. He looks like a totally different player on the rangers. It doesn't make any sense.



He's winning battles all over the ice, causing turnovers, moving his feet, attacking the guy with the puck, attacking the net with the puck. He's faking guys out to get pucks to his teammates. There is more space in the big ice where he has to go through less contacts, and tighter checks. Depending on who you are playing in the NHL you will have teams that are a little looser, so some games are easier than others from a match-up perspective. But Kakko's got another level in him. He's put in the time with Prentice to be able to play a power game, a speed game, or a skill game.

I think with both Kakko, and even Fil as well, they are playing more of a skill game every time trying to deke through tight checks without having a step on their guy. This works in EA's NHL, but does not work in the pro. Unless you have the speed advantage on a guy (in that moment, not in their measurables), it's hard to deke through guys in the NHL. Same with Gauthier last year in the playoffs. They could get away with that in lower leagues where their athleticism was just simply better, but you can't do that at the NHL level too often. Happens with a lot of young players, and Kakko can look to the left and right of him in the locker room to see that a number of his teammates are or have experienced the same thing. Mika went up down early in his career, Kreider. The difference is that the stage wasn't as bright in the minors to work through their game.

You know they used to call Voracek Baby Jagr. Fil and Kakko should study some tapes of Jagr and how he protected pucks. Using their body more to shield pucks, to keep the puck on their stick to open up more plays. Jagr worked with Barkov and Huberdeau on this aspect of the game, the one year Florida actually made it to the playoffs in the last decade or so. Since then, both Barkov and Huberdeau have been stars. Neither one of those guys has a lot of mass either so it's not a matter of needing that to play a skillful power game. All those grueling hours with Prentice is designed to help them succeed here. Being able to roll a guy off your back to create a defensive zone breakdown is going to get you a lot more points than trying to beat guys off the rush.

We all know Kakko's got several gears in him. When you've won the way he has, leading his country to gold in the world juniors, and in the men's before even being drafted, you know he has it in him to play winning hockey. It's just a different game in the NHL, and I'm sure he'll adapt.
 
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I actually don't think Kakko trained with Prentice (which I think is a huge mistake)

It wasn't really an option for him. Once the season ended, he had to go back to Finland due to the pandemic.

He trained with Marko Rautala in Turku though. The same guy Rantanen, Laine and Ristolainen (among others) train with during the off-season
 
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