SA16
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But he got that ice time last year. 14:17/game. He hasn't yet this year because they had 8 PKs and then 8 PPs in games when he wasn't on those units.
Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko: Part III
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But he got that ice time last year. 14:17/game. He hasn't yet this year because they had 8 PKs and then 8 PPs in games when he wasn't on those units.
14 mins is not enough frankly but ok now you have another dominant presence in Lafreniere ahead of him too. Which we didn’t have last year. So those mins aren’t there. You said 14 to 16 but barely scratching 14 last year and not even getting that now is not ok. Nor will it be long term. He’s gotta place much closer to 18 to 20 mins a night as does chytil. As does lafreniere
kids need to earn ice time. They don’t just get it cause where they were picked. If kakko is consistently good in the time he is getting and doesn’t earn more that’s a problem. But for the most part he’s been awful and hasn’t deserved the times he’s gotten...hopefully last night was the start of that changing
Svechnikov went from 14 TOI as a rookie to a touch over 16 as a Sophomore.
We can see a huge jump in Kakko's TOI if we put him on PP1, but whose spot is he going to take there? I think Strome should be off of that unit, but are you putting him there ahead of Lafreniere? I don't think I would.
KirkAlbuquerque
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Like I said before Kakko should at least be on PP2. Him plus Fox-Trouba-Strome can do some decent work
thats my point typically teams that get these top prospects have the holes to fill and they play these top kids regardless of whether they earned it or not. That he has to earn it thing only applies to a team like ours that has better players than these 18 year old star prospects
jack hughes hadnt done anything last year he’s playing 21 to 23 mins a night these last two games. That’s not happening for kakko with the guys ahead of him. No doesn’t have that.
I’m waiting to hear how these kids get to earn mins if you sign buchy and 3 of 4 top wing spots are set in stone 4 when you add lafreniere.
I’d like to see him get more time as well. Give him enough leash to let him make a mistake or two and know he’s not going to sit an entire period for it.
As for the wing logjam, not really sure how to sort that one out yet. Obviously you keep the 2 young guys and panarin isn’t going anywhere, so that leaves buch who is really coming into his own and Kreider who is the de facto captain right now and signed for 5 more years.
Ideally the cap would’ve gone up and you could eventually slide Kreider down to the 3rd line, but it doesn’t seem like the cap will allow for that.
Hughes' team sucks plus Hischer has been out.
I wouldn't get too bent out of shape with Buchnevich though. I hope he does well, but its obvious that he is not here for the long haul unless he just has a monster season.
GeorgeKaplan
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I doubt they're going to sign Buch, then Kakko has to beat up the competition that he faces and then Kreider slumps or becomes less effective or has his yearly injury and then Kakko steps in and if he performs better then he keeps the spot.
The Crypto Guy
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Hard to earn ice time when the second you make one mistake you get punished and ice taken away but players like Strome can play like garbage for stretches and there are no repercussions to their play. Poor Kakko is playing scared most of the time, how does that help him develop.
SA16
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That is only because Hischier is hurt. If our wings ahead on the depth chart were hurt then they would get more minutes too.
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You trade Buch at the deadline, unless he has absolutely exploded. In which case you trade Kreider.
And you may prefer buch to kreider and I’d get that argument but he’s now signed long term with a no trade clause I believe that’s a tough one and he brings things others don’t as we’ve discussed
you can’t keep both though too your point that just is what it is
DanielBrassard
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The Rangers absolutely can keep Buch through next season. After that the cap situation becomes more complicated with a bunch of important players up for RFA but there's no need to rush him out the door.
Real interesting question on how you trade kreider when he just signed a ntc contract.
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I mean, there’s just not gonna be room for all of them. Buch is now 25 and we have seen a lot of what he probably is. I love the reports that he’s had a great camp and maybe he finds another level and hits 30 goals and 65 or 70 points this year. In that case you probably try to keep him long term, but you are probably gonna have to move the Kreider contract sooner then. You can’t have the 4th and 5th best wingers on your team making $13m combined, especially when your best winger is already making $11m. How are you gonna pay Kakko, Lafreniere, and Chytil? And that is to say nothing about maybe even Kravtsov.
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If you could get Buch for 4 years at 4m that’s probably a good and affordable deal if the cap goes up, and he could eventually be a lesser important wing at that salary, but good luck with that. Someone will give him way more.
Of course I thought Strome would get a deal from some team too after putting up nearly pace for 70.
Of course I thought Strome would get a deal from some team too after putting up nearly pace for 70.
that’s literally the point. His team sucks so he gets mins. If you don’t make room for these star prospects you aren’t going to get the most out of them. Burying them on third lines for 10 mins doesn’t do anything for their games. These kids need a lot of mins and can’t play scared to make a mistake
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You can't and wont. It will go down has a terrible contract in a few years, but half of us already said that the day it was signed.
It was a contract that at the time made sense, not a bad contract but an understandable mediocre to poor contract.
we had panarin and then no one else on the left, and for the next 3 years kreider will absolutely have top 6 value, and the terms aren’t that bad. Getting laf absolutely changed things.
But no one ever expected the rangers to jump that far in the draft lotto. Plus I’d rather have too many talented forwards and have an ice time issue, than be forced to play a 4th liner on the 2nd.
I'm pretty sure it was established during the off season CBA negotiations that next season's cap would be the same as this year. Cap is not going to be higher. Rangers are going to find themselves in a pinch cap wise pretty quickly. Buch will likely have to be traded, regardless of the season he is having. But heck if he is having an outstanding season, that's just a better return on the trade for us.
I believe that Kreider's contract becomes a a modified NTC after year 4 of the contract, so he will be movable right about when his game starts to slip. Chris Kreider - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
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