Junior Club World Cup 2014, Ufa, Russia (22-30 August)

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vorky

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It is going to be 4th edition of tournament, it is sanctioned by IIHF.

Group A

Pirati Chomutov (CZ)
Espoo Blues (FIN)
Québec Remparts (CAN)
Tolpar Ufa (MHL, RUS)
Dynamo Shinnik Bobyursk (MHL, BLR)

Group B
Sioux City Musketeers (USHL, USA)
MHK Spartak Moskva (MHL, RUS)
Malmö Redhawks (SWE)
HK Riga (MHL, LAT)
Red Bull Salzburg (MHL, AUT)

USHL needs a few days to name a club. They have new commisioner since June 1

website (RUS)

WINNERS
2011 - Red Army CSKA Moscow (MHL)
2012 - Sudbury Wolves (CHL)
2013 - Omskie Yastreby Omsk (MHL)
 
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http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=339367

confirmation that Québec Remparts will represent Canada. CHL decided that host of Memorial Cup will play at Junior Club World Cup. So, Québec Remparts as host of Memorial Cup 2015 will travel to Russia this summer. Who will host Memorial Cup in 2016 and 2017?
 
http://mhl.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=339367

confirmation that Québec Remparts will represent Canada. CHL decided that host of Memorial Cup will play at Junior Club World Cup. So, Québec Remparts as host of Memorial Cup 2015 will travel to Russia this summer. Who will host Memorial Cup in 2016 and 2017?

For some reason this changed as the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles will be the CHL representative in the tournament.
 
So this tournament is back this year, but there is no Canadian team participating does anyone know why?

I never really saw the point of this tournament from the beginning. But HC and the CHL gave it a try, and my guess would be that after 4 years, CHL teams saw little to no value in participating in it. It was a challenge every year for Hockey Canada to get a CHL team to take on the challenge, it had no practical benefit to the participating team... therefore why bother with it?
 
If it was ever about making money for CHL clubs or getting an edge on the competition for the season, the CHL would never have participated in the first place. For some reason, the CHL decided that the cultural exchange aspect wasn't enough, so maybe it had to do with the competition itself. If the CHL sent a first class team, and they lost again this year, it wouldn't do a thing to enhance the reputation of the league. You have to think that may have been a factor.
 
If it was ever about making money for CHL clubs or getting an edge on the competition for the season, the CHL would never have participated in the first place. For some reason, the CHL decided that the cultural exchange aspect wasn't enough, so maybe it had to do with the competition itself. If the CHL sent a first class team, and they lost again this year, it wouldn't do a thing to enhance the reputation of the league. You have to think that may have been a factor.

Reputation or not, the CHL can't send a first-class team to this event this time of year for obvious reasons so why go through the expense and why travel that distance when you're almost certainly going to lose? It's counter productive. There are more meaningful events on the international calendar than this one.
 
Reputation or not, the CHL can't send a first-class team to this event this time of year for obvious reasons so why go through the expense and why travel that distance when you're almost certainly going to lose? It's counter productive. There are more meaningful events on the international calendar than this one.

I see your point, but I'm not sure its possible to find a better time of year for it. I assume the CHL starts practicing in September, but by that time the MHL schedule is in full operation.
 
I see your point, but I'm not sure its possible to find a better time of year for it. I assume the CHL starts practicing in September, but by that time the MHL schedule is in full operation.

CHL camps have already opened but none of the league's NHL-drafted players are there. They won't begin trickling back until NHL cuts begin next month and into October. You're right, there is no better time for the junior cup but there really isn't a good time at all for the CHL.
 
What surprises me is that if the CHL wouldn't go, that Hockey Canada didn't get a CJHL to go. I know the first year of this tournament the AJHL's Fort McMurray Oil Barons went. If Hockey Canada was paying, I am certain that my hometown AJHL Lloydminster Bobcats would have jumped at the chance to go over and start their season early.

Since they are hosting the RBC Cup, I am sure they'd want to make this a big year and already are (with a little Twitter help from me), by hosting a WHL exhibition game between the Saskatoon Blades and Edmonton Oil Kings.

Heck, since this tournament seems to accept "all-star" teams. I'm surprised Hockey Canada, didn't decide to send the U-18 team that was in Europe and have them wear the Top Prospects Game or Subway Series jerseys. It would have meant sticking around Europe and practicing for a couple more weeks.

Since I believe the age limit is Under-21 for this tournament, you could even send a complete Junior B team (who'd get destroyed, so maybe not the smartest idea).

I guess I just liked the concept of Canadian teams playing in European Club tournaments. I wonder if this puts any sort of crimp into the Subway Series? If the CHL/Hockey Canada can't find a team to go, I wonder if the Russians will pull out of the Subway Series? Seems like that would be a quid pro quo situation. Though, I guess this tournament is run by KHL/MHL and not the RHF, whereas the RHF is likely behind the Subway Series.

What would be interesting is if the CHL brought a couple MHL teams over to play CHL teams, akin to the old NHL/Soviet Super Series. It would be a nice change to the Subway Series. Nothing wrong with the Subway Series, but its a nice change occasionally to see something different.

Though if the MHL wants to show it is superior to the CHL (which I believe is the concept of this tournament essentially), having the top MHL clubs barnstorm through the CHL with both in mid-season form is a far better idea. I suppose I answered my own question.
 
If it was ever about making money for CHL clubs or getting an edge on the competition for the season, the CHL would never have participated in the first place. For some reason, the CHL decided that the cultural exchange aspect wasn't enough, so maybe it had to do with the competition itself. If the CHL sent a first class team, and they lost again this year, it wouldn't do a thing to enhance the reputation of the league. You have to think that may have been a factor.

Wasn't the whole point of this tournament basically to show the MHL was superior to the CHL? I think this is why the first year the Fort McMurray Oil Barons went, not a CHL team. Hockey Canada and the CHL wanted to test the waters, so they convinced a Junior A team to go, that way if the got blown away (which if I recall they did not and really only lost to the MHL teams), it could be chalked up as well this was a Junior A team, not a Major Junior team.

I still think if Hockey Canada was footing the bill, a Junior A team would have gone. Since Junior A camps open this week, and the season starts in less than a month, it would have been easier to convince a Junior A team to start training camp earlier.

Granted, now that I think about it, Lloydminster's Civic Centre, didn't have ice in it until last week. So camp would have been tricky for the Bobcats as there was an indoor lacrosse team using the floor until the endish of July. So throwing ice down much earlier (after prepping the floor) would have been very difficult. But I am sure it could've been done and then redone while the Bobcats were in Russia if need be.
 
What surprises me is that if the CHL wouldn't go, that Hockey Canada didn't get a CJHL to go. I know the first year of this tournament the AJHL's Fort McMurray Oil Barons went. If Hockey Canada was paying, I am certain that my hometown AJHL Lloydminster Bobcats would have jumped at the chance to go over and start their season early.

Since they are hosting the RBC Cup, I am sure they'd want to make this a big year and already are (with a little Twitter help from me), by hosting a WHL exhibition game between the Saskatoon Blades and Edmonton Oil Kings.

Heck, since this tournament seems to accept "all-star" teams. I'm surprised Hockey Canada, didn't decide to send the U-18 team that was in Europe and have them wear the Top Prospects Game or Subway Series jerseys. It would have meant sticking around Europe and practicing for a couple more weeks.

Since I believe the age limit is Under-21 for this tournament, you could even send a complete Junior B team (who'd get destroyed, so maybe not the smartest idea).

I guess I just liked the concept of Canadian teams playing in European Club tournaments. I wonder if this puts any sort of crimp into the Subway Series? If the CHL/Hockey Canada can't find a team to go, I wonder if the Russians will pull out of the Subway Series? Seems like that would be a quid pro quo situation. Though, I guess this tournament is run by KHL/MHL and not the RHF, whereas the RHF is likely behind the Subway Series.

What would be interesting is if the CHL brought a couple MHL teams over to play CHL teams, akin to the old NHL/Soviet Super Series. It would be a nice change to the Subway Series. Nothing wrong with the Subway Series, but its a nice change occasionally to see something different.

Though if the MHL wants to show it is superior to the CHL (which I believe is the concept of this tournament essentially), having the top MHL clubs barnstorm through the CHL with both in mid-season form is a far better idea. I suppose I answered my own question.

I doubt if the fact that the CHL pulled out of the World Cup will have any affect on Russian participation in the Subway Series. This tournament is useful to the Russian coaches as a way of gauging whether marginal players could or could not become legitimate candidates for the World U20 team. Especially for the more than 60 Russians who are playing in the CHL, that the Russian coaches never get a chance to see or properly evaluate.

Why do you think the MHL is trying to prove its superiority over the CHL in this tournament? The MHL is still in its infancy, and its highly doubtful that it is superior to the CHL in any way. Its just a summer invitational tournament - the kind that the Canadians hold all year every year.

My guess is that it is more of an issue of losing the competition, and how that affects the status and standing of the CHL internationally. Its certainly not for financial reasons - the CHL is far richer than the MHL.
 
I doubt if the fact that the CHL pulled out of the World Cup will have any affect on Russian participation in the Subway Series. This tournament is useful to the Russian coaches as a way of gauging whether marginal players could or could not become legitimate candidates for the World U20 team. Especially for the more than 60 Russians who are playing in the CHL, that the Russian coaches never get a chance to see or properly evaluate.

Why do you think the MHL is trying to prove its superiority over the CHL in this tournament? The MHL is still in its infancy, and its highly doubtful that it is superior to the CHL in any way. Its just a summer invitational tournament - the kind that the Canadians hold all year every year.

My guess is that it is more of an issue of losing the competition, and how that affects the status and standing of the CHL internationally. Its certainly not for financial reasons - the CHL is far richer than the MHL.

I seem to recall a Russian official following the first tournament as saying something to the effect of how can we prove the superiority of the MHL, when Canada sends a level down (i.e. the Fort McMurray Oil Barons)? It might be that it was league pride in his comments as opposed to the assumption that the MHL was better than the CHL.

I see it as something other than losing. I am by no means an insider, but sending the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles, a perennial losing team and IIRC the previous year's worst CHL team, seems to indicate some apathy toward the tournament. I have no idea whether they only asked within the QMJHL, but I am certain that the NHL team owned Calgary Hitmen and Edmonton Oil Kings, as well as the wealthy Vancouver Giants, would have gone. It seems like the CHL deliberately chose to send an awful team over.

If you were worried about losing, you'd make it a requirement of the team hosting the Memorial Cup that they must go to this tournament or risk losing their hosting of the Memorial Cup. Most teams that are the host gear up for the duties by trading away their future for the top Junior players. What I mean is that they pick up top 19s and 20s, not necessarily NHL prospects.

When the Saskatoon Blades hosted a few years ago, they had one of the most competitive teams I've seen from them in many years. They were poised to make a front door entrance into the Memorial Cup, but were upset in the first round by the Medicine Hat Tigers. But they were a good enough team to beat Halifax (who had Jonathan Drouin, Zach Fucale and a host of other NHL prospects) in one of the best Blades games I had ever attended.

By using the host, the CHL is guaranteed to have a good club go to this tournament. As well, losing doesn't tarnish the reputation of the CHL, as there is the built in excuse of the players not wanting to push themselves in light of a long season and Memorial Cup tournament.

But ultimately, I suppose beyond playing in a tournament, the CHL received nothing out of it. The coverage was limited to local news in the community the team was from. TSN and Sportsnet were not trying to bid on the rights to televise the tournament. So it could not monetize a tournament, when no one cared. I don't recall even seeing the scores shown on Canadian sports networks. I don't even think they made the ticker on any network.

What I do wonder is what USA Hockey thinks they get out of this. Sure by sending USHL teams or NAHL teams, it gives their leagues a bit of exposure. However, since they are not big business like the CHL, I am not sure there is an appeal toward attract Europeans to their league. I am almost certain that if the Canadian press had no interest in covering this, the US press has even less interest. What

I've also wondered is why USA Hockey doesn't send a CHL team? I mean USA Hockey has to sanction the teams, so why not send a Portland Winterhawks or Saginaw Spirit instead of the Chicago Steel? To me it seems like a no brainer, especially in the past when Sudbury and Cape Breton went. This year, I could see the CHL forbidding the team to go if Spokane said yes, we'll play USA Hockey.

I guess I don't understand some of the business side of hockey. This tournament seems similar to the Ivan Hnlinka U18 Tournament, it seems odd that Canada would participate there, but Hockey Canada couldn't muster someone up for this one. If the CHL/Hockey Canada were smart, when their TV deals with Sportsnet (CHL) and TSN (Hockey Canada) came up, I'd make them televise these games as part of the deal. I know TSN likely would since they want the cash cow that is the World Juniors (and to a lesser extent the World Championship), it is why you see the Allan Cup and RBC Cup Finals shown on TSN.

Now that Sportsnet has the NHL, I am not sure the CHL package is as important to them. I know they picked it up when TSN won back the NHL, as a way to keep themselves on air in the winter and continue to carry hockey. I'm sure they'd like to keep the Memorial Cup, but does that make money for them? I am not sure considering they would have the NHL playoffs and the Blue Jays at that time. They might be willing to let the CHL go, if it meant in August they had to either go to Russia or pick up a broadcast from someone from Russia.

Also, for both networks the time difference makes it less attractive to televise. Sure TSN does it for IIHF tournaments, but would Canadians (outside of whatever community the CHL team is from) get up to watch the Saskatoon Blades play Snezhnye Barsy? Since I had to look up an MHL team even playing this summer, I suspect not.
 
I seem to recall a Russian official following the first tournament as saying something to the effect of how can we prove the superiority of the MHL, when Canada sends a level down (i.e. the Fort McMurray Oil Barons)? It might be that it was league pride in his comments as opposed to the assumption that the MHL was better than the CHL.

I see it as something other than losing. I am by no means an insider, but sending the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles, a perennial losing team and IIRC the previous year's worst CHL team, seems to indicate some apathy toward the tournament. I have no idea whether they only asked within the QMJHL, but I am certain that the NHL team owned Calgary Hitmen and Edmonton Oil Kings, as well as the wealthy Vancouver Giants, would have gone. It seems like the CHL deliberately chose to send an awful team over.

If you were worried about losing, you'd make it a requirement of the team hosting the Memorial Cup that they must go to this tournament or risk losing their hosting of the Memorial Cup. Most teams that are the host gear up for the duties by trading away their future for the top Junior players. What I mean is that they pick up top 19s and 20s, not necessarily NHL prospects.

When the Saskatoon Blades hosted a few years ago, they had one of the most competitive teams I've seen from them in many years. They were poised to make a front door entrance into the Memorial Cup, but were upset in the first round by the Medicine Hat Tigers. But they were a good enough team to beat Halifax (who had Jonathan Drouin, Zach Fucale and a host of other NHL prospects) in one of the best Blades games I had ever attended.

By using the host, the CHL is guaranteed to have a good club go to this tournament. As well, losing doesn't tarnish the reputation of the CHL, as there is the built in excuse of the players not wanting to push themselves in light of a long season and Memorial Cup tournament.

But ultimately, I suppose beyond playing in a tournament, the CHL received nothing out of it. The coverage was limited to local news in the community the team was from. TSN and Sportsnet were not trying to bid on the rights to televise the tournament. So it could not monetize a tournament, when no one cared. I don't recall even seeing the scores shown on Canadian sports networks. I don't even think they made the ticker on any network.

What I do wonder is what USA Hockey thinks they get out of this. Sure by sending USHL teams or NAHL teams, it gives their leagues a bit of exposure. However, since they are not big business like the CHL, I am not sure there is an appeal toward attract Europeans to their league. I am almost certain that if the Canadian press had no interest in covering this, the US press has even less interest. What

I've also wondered is why USA Hockey doesn't send a CHL team? I mean USA Hockey has to sanction the teams, so why not send a Portland Winterhawks or Saginaw Spirit instead of the Chicago Steel? To me it seems like a no brainer, especially in the past when Sudbury and Cape Breton went. This year, I could see the CHL forbidding the team to go if Spokane said yes, we'll play USA Hockey.

I guess I don't understand some of the business side of hockey. This tournament seems similar to the Ivan Hnlinka U18 Tournament, it seems odd that Canada would participate there, but Hockey Canada couldn't muster someone up for this one. If the CHL/Hockey Canada were smart, when their TV deals with Sportsnet (CHL) and TSN (Hockey Canada) came up, I'd make them televise these games as part of the deal. I know TSN likely would since they want the cash cow that is the World Juniors (and to a lesser extent the World Championship), it is why you see the Allan Cup and RBC Cup Finals shown on TSN.

Now that Sportsnet has the NHL, I am not sure the CHL package is as important to them. I know they picked it up when TSN won back the NHL, as a way to keep themselves on air in the winter and continue to carry hockey. I'm sure they'd like to keep the Memorial Cup, but does that make money for them? I am not sure considering they would have the NHL playoffs and the Blue Jays at that time. They might be willing to let the CHL go, if it meant in August they had to either go to Russia or pick up a broadcast from someone from Russia.

Also, for both networks the time difference makes it less attractive to televise. Sure TSN does it for IIHF tournaments, but would Canadians (outside of whatever community the CHL team is from) get up to watch the Saskatoon Blades play Snezhnye Barsy? Since I had to look up an MHL team even playing this summer, I suspect not.

The USHL may use it partly as a cultural exchange, since most of these guys would never have an opportunity to travel to Russia again, and partly to gauge their competitive status. USHL representatives have been strong, and have done very well in this tournament.
 
upsetting, that no CHL team came over for the tournament. It really takes a way most of flavor. And, not a good start for most MHL teams.
 

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