July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part III
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RunTheJesperFast
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that was before he said the thornton deal was essentially dead. a few hours later he changed his mind and the deal was 75% likely to happen again.
but i guess thornton is 100% sure it's gonna happen, since he's buying kovalchuk's house.
hahahha who believes this garbage?
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
THE BIG WHISTLE
Heave-Ho
Rumors are just what they are rumors. Some are true and some are not. When the MSL rumors came out, most people were saying the same thing, "there is no way he is going to be traded", the point is nobody really knows when a rumor is started and if it's true. But there is an old saying " where there is a spark there is a fire"
redwhiteandblue
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I'm so fickle on Stepan at this point. I thought for a long time to start off last year he was pretty invisible all game and then one or two shifts would pull a phantom point chipping it off the glass in our end and then it results in a goal ten seconds later.
I wouldn't mind if he were traded for a more elite 1C. I would prefer Brass be traded for a 1C though at the same time. Step is young, I think he still has room to grow.
I wouldn't mind if he were traded for a more elite 1C. I would prefer Brass be traded for a 1C though at the same time. Step is young, I think he still has room to grow.
Zil
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There's a difference when the rumor comes from a legit source (ie a reporter, or even someone like Boomer) versus some random twitter account. The former is worth discussing. The latter is not.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Being a center on your team and a natural center are not the same thing. You can't list all players capable of playing C and compare them to your team's centers. ROR didn't play much C last year - he played with Matt Duchene. It's an unfair comparison. There's different defensive duties, responsibilities, it's a much tougher position playing C.
Okay. And you're the only one who doesn't think Patrice Bergeron isn't a legitimate 1C. What the hell is your definition of "legitimate 1C"? There's 30 teams, and apparently, Patrice Bergeron isn't a legitimate 1C. I'm pretty sure if that's the case, there are about 10 legitimate 1Cs in the NHL, and I would take Bergeron over Thornton, Spezza, Staal, etc. Bergeron is a superior player. And I've criticized those who have called him elite in the past, because I don't think he's elite. I think you're asking for us to get an elite center - and those guys are NOT available unless you pick in the top 5 of the draft. The available Cs are all worse players than Patrice Bergeron, so, I'm not sure where you're going with this. Patrice Bergeron is certainly a legitimate 1C and it's really not a discussion. There's no argument to be made here.
I can see that. I just don't think that acquiring that center is as big a need as you do. I'm not willing to destroy the chemistry of our core and add another $7+M player to our lineup to improve one position. We also have crazy wing depth that those teams don't have, and defensive depth, and a top 3 goalie in the NHL. Being average at C isn't the worst thing in the world when you have 5 wingers who can play a top 6 role and 4 defensemen who can play on a top pairing, as well as Henrik Lundqvist. And I think Derek Stepan is already a 1C and could move into the Bergeron category very soon.
Patrick Kane is a winger. They tried him at center and he won something like 40% of faceoffs and moved him back to wing. He's a winger.
E. Staal, Spezza, and Stepan seem not to fit. Arguably Thornton, too. I'm not sure what criteria you're using because none of those players are alike.
To a team that gave up a 70 point, Selke caliber player (which we don't have), a promising young player in Smith, who scored 50+ points last season, and a former 2011 first round defenseman, and Seguin's team missed the playoffs. Boston was the #1 seed pretty easily, despite Eriksson not contributing due to injuries. And - oh my god! - a young player stepped in and scored 50 points unexpectedly. Wow. How silly of them.
Because he demanded the trade.
And has won absolutely nothing.
Brassard shouldn't hold up a deal for the right player - but I'm not fond of acquiring Eric Staal, Joe Thornton, or Jason Spezza (thank god that ship sailed) for Brassard+ or Brassard++. It's a mistake.
Stepan, on the other hand, should only be moved in a package for an elite level C - and those players are not available unless you acquire them prior to them reaching that status or with a top 5 pick in the draft.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
There's another old saying by Edgar Allan Poe - "Believe only half of what you see, and nothing of what you hear."
Raspewtin
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You really must get a kick out of trying to convince this board why Stepan isn't a "real number 1 center" and decaying players like E. Staal and Spezza are.
Taylor Hall played wing when RNH got injured last year. Is he a legit center? Obviously not. Considering half those players you listed did play a lot of wing, I don't see your point.
I love how you say Bergeron isn't a #1 center when he's a **** ton better than Eric Staal and Jason Spezza at this age. And you seem to love churning out the same garbage that "Thornton is a real number 1 center he's a guy you win championships with rahrahraha". He hasn't won jack ****, and he was TRADED so the Bruins FA could hand over the team to that scrub Patrice Bergeron, who's led them to two SCFs and winning one of them; while Thornton has barely come close. What a ****ing ******** narrative you continue to spill.
The team lacks center depth. Not a "True number 1 center" which is a term you use so liberally it murks your whole already ******** point. Thornton was traded because he showed he couldn't lead a team. Spezza was traded because he's slow as ****, has back issues, and consistency issues. What's with this completely wrong belief that every #1 center gets traded just because? Teams aren't willing to just throw away elite talent because they feel like it. I know no one loves acknowledging this, but Dallas taking Seguin was a really big risk. He came off a down year, with a truly awful playoffs, and there were a lot of concerns about his attitude and partying habits. It was entirely possible Seguin busted in Dallas. It was a risk.
The Rangers are in NO position to be taking such a risk, especially one for some lazy sieve like Eric Staal or Jason Spezza.
And whether you like it or not, Stepan is not only better than those players now, but he's also considerably younger, and will be better in the future. I know you love to paint Stepan as a 2c that is clearly inferior to gods like Staal anyway you can, but it's just wrong. Flat out, wrong.
"Grass is greener" at its best.
THE BIG WHISTLE
Heave-Ho
Yeah it is, the point is a rumor is just a rumor. Some are true and some are not, reputable source or not. When the MSL rumor came out Bob Mac and Dreger quickly shot down the rumor
Man, there is some extreme overvaluing of our own players going on.
Derek Stepan is better than Joe Thornton, Jason Spezza, and Eric Staal?
Wow.
Reality check needed.
HF: where a young player who's never cracked 60 points is clearly a better player than a 30 year old who averages nearly a point per game his entire career. (Note: 29 years old = decaying
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Spezza's career worst season produced more points than Stepan's career best. But hey, potential = guaranteed to reach it = player who scored 57 points at age 24 will score 87 points at age 25.
Derek Stepan is better than Joe Thornton, Jason Spezza, and Eric Staal?
Wow.
Reality check needed.
HF: where a young player who's never cracked 60 points is clearly a better player than a 30 year old who averages nearly a point per game his entire career. (Note: 29 years old = decaying
)Spezza's career worst season produced more points than Stepan's career best. But hey, potential = guaranteed to reach it = player who scored 57 points at age 24 will score 87 points at age 25.
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BlueshirtBlitz
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If you don't think Pat Bergeron is a 1C, then you lose all credibility. Sorry.
Learn something about how two-way play works.
Learn something about how two-way play works.
Raspewtin
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Man, there is some extreme overvaluing of our own players going on.
Derek Stepan is better than Joe Thornton, Jason Spezza, and Eric Staal?
Wow.
Reality check needed.
HF: where a young player who's never cracked 60 points is clearly a better player than a 30 year old who averages nearly a point per game his entire career. (Note: 29 years old = decaying
Spezza's career worst season produced more points than Stepan's career best. But hey, potential = guaranteed to reach it = player who scored 57 points at age 24 will score 87 points at age 25.
I have this strange feeling you haven't watched one Sens or Canes game this year; because you have this belief that Staal and Spezza are still these tremendous players that are just in a bad situation.
They both sucked this year. Spezza is injury prone and was a dog on ice this year. As was Eric Staal. Eric Staal had 4 more points than Stepan this year. How do you explain that? Spezza had 9 on a much higher scoring team. Why is it rational to expect they'll get better, as opposed to pretty much what always happens, that they're getting worse?
I actually didn't say Stepan is better than Thornton anywhere. I don't believe that either. But I DO believe Thornton is done in 4 years, and isn't half the gamebreaker you associate him to be. And Stepan is catching up to the current Joe Thornton VERY quickly.
Stepan is a better player than Staal and Spezza and he will be from this point on, I stick to that.
You actually need a reality check because you seem to have the worst Grass is Greener complex on HFNYR, and holy **** that is an accomplishment.
Raspewtin
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But Eric "Gamebreaker" Staal is god!
Bergeron is just some scrub with two selkes.
(and more points this year than Staal)
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You just never know with rumors that's why their called rumors. But man I can't wait to see that guys Twitter account when none of this stuff goes down
But 90% of the time it turns into a fire..remember, only you can prevent wildfires
Whether or not they shot it down, the source of the rumor was someone who is legitimate. Random person on twitter isn't legit. If you think that's the case, then I also have a bridge I can sell you.
KOVALEV022473
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You just never know with rumors that's why their called rumors. But man I can't wait to see that guys Twitter account when none of this stuff goes down
He's pretty adamant about Carter. He said deal is signed and will be announced tomorrow, if not he will delete his account! I guess time will tell.
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