Rumor: JTM Trade Thread: Why did JT Miller bring a suitcase to practice?

[Raistlin]

I'm confused because I hear other fans say they want a proven piece now so they can remain competitive. What's the truth? 1/1 or 2/1 flip (proven NHL players) or a futures based offer?

Is there any rumor to what teams Miller is open to? I think this is very important to know for us fans who are acting like GM's looking for fair deals.

no trade requests from any reputable sources. hence no lists to where he'd be happy to play for. Unlike the Benning years, under JR, all the "leaks" from vancouver (other than the EP/JTM rift) looks like they benefit management in some negotiation tactics. there are tons of unsubstantiated ones floating around though, including the standard talking heads' musings and all the trash AI generated articles for hockey mad markets.

 

[pld459666]

What difference does that make?

Potential injuries

 

[its not that serious]

Haven't seen anyone suggest this, but especially with how things have dragged or fallen through, if somehow a third team could retain salary so the Canucks don't have to, that might finally resolve this.

 

[Peter Griffin]

LOL. In what world?


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In what world what?

 

[pld459666]

Still believe it's to the NYR'S

After four nations

 

[Profet]

It feels more like management has re-evaluated the team and doesn’t believe they can contend in Miller’s window of his best remaining years and as a result are looking to change on the fly, add some futures and dump Miller’s cap hit now and reinvest elsewhere.

In what world what?

You stated that it feels like management looked at the team, and decided changes were necessary.

When in reality, Miller and EP are forcing their hands by being pretty obvious that they refuse to play together.

You're trying to change the narrative. I get it. But let's not lose the reality of the situation.

Vancouver management would LOVE for the two of them to makeup and would gladly keep both on the roster. They can't.

 

[Peter Griffin]

You stated that it feels like management looked at the team, and decided changes were necessary.

When in reality, Miller and EP are forcing their hands by not being pretty obvious that they refuse to play together.

You're trying to change the narrative. I get it. But let's not lose the reality of the situation.

Vancouver management would LOVE for the two of them to makeup and would gladly keep both on the roster. They can't.

This team isn’t good enough regardless of what is going on. It’s not changing the narrative, it’s reality. You’re acting like I’m posting on here trying to increase the value of these players lol.

 

[rypper]

We have seen numerous reports that have suggested he has, though. I don't know it's for sure, but the idea that Miller is just good with going wherever offers the best trade package isn't based on anything.

Where's a credible report saying he'll go to one team and one team only? What team is that?

 

[Okanagan]

Miller is like that complete psychotic, but ultra hot woman/man you know. Would be fun for a while, but you know that it will end badly and you'll forever regret the encounter.

When he is on, Miller is a top 15 player in the league. Love to have him on my team. But that baggage....

 

[Empoleon8771]

Where's a credible report saying he'll go to one team and one team only? What team is that?

Kypreos already said that Miller would only waive to go to NYR, and Friedman has alluded to the Rangers being Miller's preferred destination as well.

I don't know if it's actually true, but Miller's situation definitely seems to be much closer to "only waives to 1-3 teams" than "will waive to anyone who will offer the best package".

 

[TheBigLetowski]

Kypreos already said that Miller would only waive to go to NYR, and Friedman has alluded to the Rangers being Miller's preferred destination as well.

I don't know if it's actually true, but Miller's situation definitely seems to be much closer to "only waives to 1-3 teams" than "will waive to anyone who will offer the best package".

Canes apparently have been granted permission to speak with JTMs representation. Is that permission granted by Vancouver and Miller? Just Vancouver?

 

[Svechhammer]

Kypreos already said that Miller would only waive to go to NYR, and Friedman has alluded to the Rangers being Miller's preferred destination as well.

I don't know if it's actually true, but Miller's situation definitely seems to be much closer to "only waives to 1-3 teams" than "will waive to anyone who will offer the best package".

Well if Kypreos said it....

 

[rypper]

Kypreos already said that Miller would only waive to go to NYR, and Friedman has alluded to the Rangers being Miller's preferred destination as well.

I don't know if it's actually true, but Miller's situation definitely seems to be much closer to "only waives to 1-3 teams" than "will waive to anyone who will offer the best package".

Ok I'll push back on that because I don't consider Kypreos to be credible when it comes to the Canucks, and that's a suggestion from Friedman.

I'm not saying he's not going to control where he goes. But so far it's not comparable to Kesler's situation at all.

 

[604]

JT Miller is playing good enough to help the Canucks win. Petey is MIA.

Does trading JTM suddenly make Petey better?

Think the Canucks need to move on from Petey regardless of what they do with JTM.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Ok I'll push back on that because I don't consider Kypreos to be credible when it comes to the Canucks, and that's a suggestion from Friedman.

I'm not saying he's not going to control where he goes. But so far it's not comparable to Kesler's situation at all.

You have nothing to base this on. It might not be only 1 team like Kesler, but the vibe I get right now is that it is significantly closer to only a handful of teams.

If you don't like the Kesler example, let's use Karlsson instead. I believe it was reported he'd waive to Carolina, Edmonton and Pittsburgh, that's it. That seems to be much more in line with what is going on with Miller here.

Well if Kypreos said it....

There is more smoke out there that Miller would have a very small list of teams he'd allow a trade to than the opposite.

 

[Peter Griffin]

JT Miller is playing good enough to help the Canucks win. Petey is MIA.

Does trading JTM suddenly make Petey better?

Think the Canucks need to move on from Petey regardless of what they do with JTM.

Everyone but Hughes should be available.

 

[kcunac]

Does trading JTM suddenly make Petey better?

Based on the games JTM missed this year, yes.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

no trade requests from any reputable sources. hence no lists to where he'd be happy to play for.

we know his agent is speaking to several teams though so maybe start there?

 

[BluesyShoes]

Miller is the type to tell his agent: I'm not leaving for anywhere but NYC, and then not budge and yell at his agent everytime he brings up Carolina or Jersey. Rangers obviously offered dogshit, and Allvin had to hang up and move on. Canucks and Rangers are now playing chicken with their respective seasons. If the Canucks can turn things around before the deadline, that probably helps Miller's trade value. Or if Miller has a big Four Nations. If Rangers go on a skid, it probably helps Miller's trade value. If Canucks' problems continue to get worse, then the Rangers think they'll get Miller for their bad offer. Canucks are also hoping Miller gets desperate and waives, but I imagine Miller is thinking "this is why I signed an NTC, I have every right." Canucks probably have to look seriously at moving Petey, and keep the media out of it.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Injury risk. If miller gets injured at four nations the acquiring GM looks foolish. Why wouldn’t they wait until after?

Still believe it's to the NYR'S

After four nations

It's only 3-4 games, and i'll be shocked if the compete level is much more than a preseason game.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Why not dump him to one of those teams for the best of the bad offers out there? Is it an oversimplification to say once he's gone the team will come back to life? That's been my assumption as an outsider looking in anyway...

Even if the team did bounce back a little, the loss of Miller for what's being offered would heavily impact our ability to even be good. Kotkaniemi or Chytil are enormous drop offs from Miller. We'd go from a second line to an adequate third.

Then there's the whole retention nonsense. We're already locked to 5.4M of dead cap from OEL and Mikheyev. So that alone would severely hinder adding to the team in the off season.

Any sort of sweetener is a complete non-starter unless we're getting back a very good prospect.

 

[Guyute]

What is Chytl’s biggest injury risk(concussions?) or is he just one of those guys that’s made of glass?

Concussions are the main concern. Chytil has managed to stay healthy after taking big contact throughout this season, so that is really promising. He made an ambiguous comment to the NYR media about the concern not being concussion related, and that he would open up about it at some point in the future. Could it be his neck? Headaches? It's anyone's guess.

The one exception was when he collided with K'Andre Miller and missed a few games. The biggest red flag for me is that he doesn't have very good awareness in terms of knowing who is near him and when he might be in danger of getting hit. He skates with his head up, but "accidentally" collides with teammates and opposing players far too often. Any one of these incidents could cause another concussion and force him to miss the next 20 games.

 

[TGWL]

Even if the team did bounce back a little, the loss of Miller for what's being offered would heavily impact our ability to even be good. Kotkaniemi or Chytil are enormous drop offs from Miller. We'd go from a second line to an adequate third.

Then there's the whole retention nonsense. We're already locked to 5.4M of dead cap from OEL and Mikheyev. So that alone would severely hinder adding to the team in the off season.

Any sort of sweetener is a complete non-starter unless we're getting back a very good prospect.

I didn't hear anything about retention in the deal that was close with NYR. Everybody reporting on it went with the protection being an issue. I'm sure NYR would like retention but I don't know if that was an issue or they moved past that with their last offer.

I am not pretending that the loss of Miller will be filled by players who aren't in his tier, but if Miller isn't performing, then I don't know how much you're going to feel it more than you're already feeling it, without Miller being what you need him to be. Clearly when Miller is on his game in a different tier level, but Chytil is probably out performing Miller right now. At the end of the day, you need Miller and you need him to perform. It's a big loss without that because he's shown to be a dominate player.

 

[trellaine201]

Cap room alone will help the Canucks!

 

[UrbanImpact]

Offers are low.

Close up shop with Miller trade talks and revisit in the off-season

-Hopefully he has a dominant 4Nations tourney to up his value and show his worth
- Couple more teams choke these playoffs and waste another cup window year

Then see what the offers are in the summer when the cap is higher, teams have more cap space.