Rumor: JTM Trade Thread: Why did JT Miller bring a suitcase to practice?

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There was lots of speculation at the time that Vancouver coveted Schneider, why do you think Schneider’s name was even brought up if not to suggest, him not being involved was an issue?

As for Schneider, he played 11 min/game in the Rangers’ run in 2022 and this season is playing less than Will Borgen and is still effectively the Rangers’ #3 RD.
He'll always be on that second pair with Fox around. Which is fine, he also doesn't get PP time. But our defense is awful, he's one of the only players we aren't holding our breath over every other shift when he's on.
 
Because like the Hurricanes he is active and ready to pounce. There was a sighting of a large group of puck bunnies outside the practice arena. He wants to be ready just in case he gets lucky.
 
The NHL is such a mess with no movement clauses in contracts and complete salary cap inflexibility.

They need to let front offices cook like in the NFL.
NFLPA is the worst players association in sports. They get absolutely bullied in every négociations , I agree with you on the NMC stuff but the relation between the NHLPA and NHL is alot healthier than NFLPA and NFL or MLBPA and MLB who are lopsided on one end of it
 
He'll always be on that second pair with Fox around. Which is fine, he also doesn't get PP time. But our defense is awful, he's one of the only players we aren't holding our breath over every other shift when he's on.
That’s fine. My point is Miller in his prime, when the Rangers’ core was also in their prime, was a potential missed opportunity. And yet Drury is still trying to chase after a worse, more expensive JT.
 
Would Vancouver take a heavy futures deal along with some contracts coming back?
(opinion) Yes, depending on how much of an anchor the contracts coming back are. Adding significant futures would theoretically be fine, since they can always flip futures for a roster C/D after
 
I’ll believe Carolina “going for it” when I see it.

As exceedingly mid as some Chytil + Sykora based offer is from the Rangers, what could Carolina realistically offer that matches that? Kotkaniemi isn’t it, even with Chytil being one sneeze away from retirement.
 
I mean, the Canucks’ potential obsession hasn’t caused them to lose out on a trade that might’ve produced a Stanley cup though.
They've only won 3 rounds in over 10 years. I'd say they had a lot more problems than 1 potential trade. But speculation is speculation, there's no way to know that JT Miller would have pushed them to be cup favorites with Gallant behind the bench. JT Miller can be traded today and absolutely bomb with the current parameter style NYR play. Also, Chytil was pretty damn good in that ECF run years ago. I'd argue that really started his breakout success that was heading in the right direction. It might have been a missed opportunity, but we also had a core that was actually putting up points, and I think Miller would have received less minutes here.
 
Miller can only blame himself. Nobody ran him out of town. Fans loved him till he decided to start giving no f*** given efforts out there and moping around. 3rd team he has played his way off of.
Who gave up on who first? Sounds like the team gave up on him. Hard to give your all for a management who is trying to trade you. Wjhy should he try and max out the return for a lacklustre team that is dumping him?
 
I’ll believe Carolina “going for it” when I see it.

As exceedingly mid as some Chytil + Sykora based offer is from the Rangers, what could Carolina realistically offer that matches that? Kotkaniemi isn’t it, even with Chytil being one sneeze away from retirement.
Kotkaniemi, Drury, Morrow, '25 1st

VAN can then flip any of the above necessary for a top 6 C (probably have to keep KK, but he could fit as a 3C long term, perhaps)
 
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The NHL is such a mess with no movement clauses in contracts and complete salary cap inflexibility.

They need to let front offices cook like in the NFL.
The NFLPA might as well not even exist....

The NHL has a nice balance between league and union right now IMO. While NTC and NMC can be annoying they also provide benefits to the team in the way of reduced cap hits. It's tit for tat.
 
If I am the Nucks and the Rangers really want Miller and now that there are other teams trying to land Miller. I'd ask for something like this:

To Van: KAM and Chytil
To NYR: Miller

you can add other pieces if you like, draft picks or players, but I think I would accept this. You can put Miller on the second pair and Chytil as your second line center. Chytil is still relatively young and has upside but has injury concerns but so do a lot of players. I do think this is a good base, some will like and some wont lol.

Cheers
 
If I am the Nucks and the Rangers really want Miller and now that there are other teams trying to land Miller. I'd ask for something like this:

To Van: KAM and Chytil
To NYR: Miller

you can add other pieces if you like, draft picks or players, but I think I would accept this. You can put Miller on the second pair and Chytil as your second line center. Chytil is still relatively young and has upside but has injury concerns but so do a lot of players. I do think this is a good base, some will like and some wont lol.

Cheers
IF "there are other teams trying to land Miller."

Let the other teams land Miller.

- Rangers Fans
 
How does Couturier's value compare to Miller's? Does a deal around Couturier + Bonk for Miller work?

Assuming both players with NTC waive ofc.
 
The NFLPA might as well not even exist....

The NHL has a nice balance between league and union right now IMO. While NTC and NMC can be annoying they also provide benefits to the team in the way of reduced cap hits. It's tit for tat.
Both leagues share 50% of their revenue with the players. And i don't think a NMC changes the dollar value of a player's contract much, it's more or less expected on high value contracts.

The strength of the NHLPA is a detriment to the fan experience in my opinion. A player could decide on a whim to stop giving a shit on year 1 of a 8 years, high value contract and the entire team and it's entire fanbase is jeopardized in a major way for almost a decade with little wiggle room for decision makers. It makes zero sense for the NHL to be so inflexible compared to pretty much every other pro league.
 
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How does Couturier's value compare to Miller's? Does a deal around Couturier + Bonk for Miller work?

Assuming both players with NTC waive ofc.
I would assume that SC's value is significantly less than Miller's due to difference in production after coming back from injury while having similar term/AAV left. I like Bonk, but wouldn't think that would be enough to bridge the gap.
 
It’ll be interesting hearing what a steal this was when Van gets an underwhelming package cause Miller controls a lot..

If they want the big package Petey will need to dealt.
 
Both leagues share 50% of their revenue with the players. And i don't think a NMC changes the dollar value of a player's contract much, it's more or less expected on high value contracts.

The strength of the NHLPA is a detriment to the fan experience in my opinion. A player could decide on a whim to stop giving a shit on year 1 of a 8 years, high value contract and the entire team and it's entire fanbase is jeopardized in a major way for almost a decade with little wiggle room for decision makers. It makes zero sense for the NHL to be so inflexible compared to pretty much every other pro league.
Even going beyond the anti-labor stuff, people always say they want more flexibility and player movement but if they got it I don't think they would be very happy. Look at the NBA where players hardly stay on a team for more than a couple of years and it's impossible to follow or understand the rules at all. That's without even bringing up the fact that if you're a bad team or a small market team or both it's ridiculously difficult to hold onto your best players, let alone become a real contender. Think about how shitty it would be for Buffalo and their fans right now if Dahlin was on year one of a two or three year extension and not an eight year one.

We're still able to get our trade and roster building drama out, as evidence by the fact that this is the third (I think?) thread about JT Miller alone. I know everyone loves the "best sport, worst league" shit, but the general structure of the CBA, the salary cap, player contracts, and the draft are all something both the league and the PA have gotten 100% right.
 
How does Couturier's value compare to Miller's? Does a deal around Couturier + Bonk for Miller work?

Assuming both players with NTC waive ofc.
If/when Miller is dealt, I highly doubt Vancouver will want an older or even similarly aged player with a similar contract. The idea is, they aren’t the contender they maybe thought they were, so trading in Miller’s contract for that of players who better fit their age group around Hughes/Pettersson, is the way they plan to go.
 

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