Recalled/Assigned: Joshua Roy recalled from the Laval Rocket (Sent down 2024-12-02)

[Deebs]

Heineman is 2 years older than Roy and was basically seen like a bust coming into this season.

Skating and effort has never been an issue for Heine though. Roy seems at times to just be going through the motions which has got to be infuriating to the coaching staff and management.

The clock is ticking for the young man, here anyways.

 

[BLONG7]

He definitely looked better than 9 points in 23 games. Not to mention that he wasn’t in the top 6 from the get go and he got those 9 points in and 18 game streak with low ice time. If you think I’m cherry picking stats then he’s 6th in PPG for forwards excluding Monahan who got traded. A key difference is the other guys were getting minimum 5 minutes more ice time per game. So in this context I thought he performed well and the eye test to me says he was our biggest offensive threat after the top line and Monahan getting traded. Heineman is producing less than that yet everyone thinks he’s doing well too.

I’m confused why it’s okay for Marty to hand minutes to players underperforming and being lazy, but not with Roy. There should be a standard here. Yes the proven players deserve more chances but it’s over 25% of the season now and they still don’t care.


How many players have an acceptable effort level in your eyes this season?

There are several guys, who on certain nights, the effort has been poor, one difference MSL put them on the team, and they obviously out performed Roy to begin with.
He should have been skating lights out if he thinks he belongs, and he has not, so he might just be ok with the AHL which could very well be good for his development.
I can tell you this, he is going to get passed by some who were drafted after him, if he doesn't turn it around.
Beck, Hage, Demidov of course, Mesar, the list goes on..............it is not going to get easier for him.

Our deadwood is soon to be moving out and more kids will be moving in....can he be one?

 

[The Great Weal]

There are several guys, who on certain nights, the effort has been poor, one difference MSL put them on the team, and they obviously out performed Roy to begin with.
He should have been skating lights out if he thinks he belongs, and he has not, so he might just be ok with the AHL which could very well be good for his development.

I'm not talking about what MSL thinks, I'm talking about what you think. You think Dach and his league worst -18 has the effort level that Roy doesn't?

I can tell you this, he is going to get passed by some who were drafted after him, if he doesn't turn it around.

Well he was drafted 150th and nobody else drafted after him in that draft class has a single NHL game.

As others have said, Heineman was seen as a lost cause as recently as development camp when he missed that Hutson saucer by 50ft. He's 2 years older than Roy. This is Roy's 2nd professional year and he's clearly been worth the 5th rounder.

Beck, Hage, Demidov of course, Mesar, the list goes on..............it is not going to get easier for him.

So is Mailloux also a lost cause and prone to getting lapped by other people we have drafted? Becuase they were from the same draft class and Roy is closer to an NHLer than Mailloux despite being drafted in the 5th.

 

[OldCraig71]

He definitely looked better than 9 points in 23 games. Not to mention that he wasn’t in the top 6 from the get go and he got those 9 points in and 18 game streak with low ice time. If you think I’m cherry picking stats then he’s 6th in PPG for forwards excluding Monahan who got traded. A key difference is the other guys were getting minimum 5 minutes more ice time per game. So in this context I thought he performed well and the eye test to me says he was our biggest offensive threat after the top line and Monahan getting traded. Heineman is producing less than that yet everyone thinks he’s doing well too.

I’m confused why it’s okay for Marty to hand minutes to players underperforming and being lazy, but not with Roy. There should be a standard here. Yes the proven players deserve more chances but it’s over 25% of the season now and they still don’t care.


How many players have an acceptable effort level in your eyes this season?

Heineman has a physical aspect to his game and plays hard every single shift even when it doesn't show up on the scoresheet, he is a potentially good 3rd line NHLer.

I am not accusing you of cherry-picking stats and I think what you said is valid. I thought he would have come to camp ready to claim a spot but he didn't outplay anyone and got sent down.

Roy has only been back for 2 games and is probably trying to find his way, he may have a great game tomorrow and it will force the coaches hand to give him more. I felt that Xhekaj was being punished but maybe it was just a push in the right direction because his play has improved. The toughest obstacle for young players is finding consistency and maintaining good habits.

 

[BLONG7]

I'm not talking about what MSL thinks, I'm talking about what you think. You think Dach and his league worst -18 has the effort level that Roy doesn't?

Well he was drafted 150th and nobody else drafted after him in that draft class has a single NHL game.

As others have said, Heineman was seen as a lost cause as recently as development camp when he missed that Hutson saucer by 50ft. He's 2 years older than Roy. This is Roy's 2nd professional year and he's clearly been worth the 5th rounder.

So is Mailloux also a lost cause and prone to getting lapped by other people we have drafted? Becuase they were from the same draft class and Roy is closer to an NHLer than Mailloux despite being drafted in the 5th.

None of what you are saying helps Roy keep a spot.....he and only he can make it happen, and currently he is not.

Doesn't matter what you and I think.....................it does however matter how the organization thinks.

We will agree to disagree, but I was very disappointed with this kids camp, and here we are......I went from being high on him, to being let down pretty quickly. He could make it, but it's not a given at this point like many were putting him in the top 6, wow. Now that's a fall I am sure you can admit also.

Lots of other players on the habs are a concern, including the coaches.........again none of that matters to getting a Roy a spot.

 

[habbubba]

It's hard to believe that people were ready to give him a top-six spot; he isn't that noticeable out there.

Consider the originators of such prophecies. A quick read around and you'll come across a full range of some questionable commentary. People telling people to chill out because Slafskovsky is doing fine, in a slump they say. He's been terrible aside from a few moments. Read that Matheson is the worst defenceman in the league, another good one. Another classic is some say that a primary assist is much more impressive than a secondary one, false! Every goal is unique and evaluated on a goal-by-goal basis. Often the least impressive aspect of the goal is the goal. Have even seen some mock the plus minus stat, no doubt due to ignorance and the list could go on and on but I can't. lol

 

[Gillings]

To me, Roy isn't even close to being "NHL" ready. He should be playing in the AHL more this year and in the playoffs.. Give him a few games right now and send him back down. He's going to be a good player or at the least, GREAT trade bait.

 

[Yoor]

Max Pacioretty?

Yikes going on 16 years....good call of course but it kind of illustrates my point.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Back to Laval for the year, Davidson has earned next call-up.

 

[That Habs Fan]

When is he playing his first game? Odd that he's been called up to watch from the bleachers.

 

[teamfirst]

When is he playing his first game? Odd that he's been called up to watch from the bleachers.

You're right, 10 min TOI no PP time for a guy like him, might as well let him developp in Laval with 16 to 20 min TOI and PP time

 

[KFlint]

Back to Laval for the year, Davidson has earned next call-up.

Fits much more on a bottom 6, I like him.

 

[teamfirst]

Back to Laval for the year, Davidson has earned next call-up.

You really want schwang26 to have a heart attack

But i agree with you, it would be nice to see what he can do against NHL players, always liked that pick, my kind of hockey players

 

[HuGort]

Roy will be sent down when Laine activated. He hasn't done much

 

[WeThreeKings]

Roy will be sent down when Laine activated. He hasn't done much

Nope and I don't care how good he plays in Laval for the rest of the year; you don't get another call up.

You came into camp lazy and assured of the spot, you get sent down and your next available opportunity you phone it in?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Nope and I don't care how good he plays in Laval for the rest of the year; you don't get another call up.

You came into camp lazy and assured of the spot, you get sent down and your next available opportunity you phone it in?

He floats in Laval, too.

He gets points mainly because he has the skill to be lazy and get points down there.

Whether Laine is ready for Tuesday, or not Roy hasn't done anything to stay in the lineup.

He'd probably break more of a sweat getting to the press box than he would on the ice

 

[Demigod]

Roy needs to be in the top 6. There's no reason to call him up and make him play on a 3rd line and giving him 30 second of PP per game. He is the kind of player that if he dont put points on the scoresheet have no impact.

For Joshua there are two outcome :

- Making the Top 6
- Never play for the Habs.

He doesnt have the profile to be effective on a bottom 6. Sadly, I really doubt that he will ever find a way to be a top 6, he is too slow and not physical. He'll probably turn out to be a Charles Hudon and finish in the ahl or playing in Europe.

Hope im wrong.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Roy needs to be in the top 6. There's no reason to call him up and make him play on a 3rd line and giving him 30 second of PP per game. He is the kind of player that if he dont put points on the scoresheet have no impact.

For Joshua there are two outcome :

- Making the Top 6
- Never play for the Habs.

He doesnt have the profile to be effective on a bottom 6. Sadly, I really doubt that he will ever find a way to be a top 6, he is too slow and not physical. He'll probably turn out to be a Charles Hudon and finish in the ahl or playing in Europe.

Hope im wrong.

Agreed. Play him with talent or leave him in Laval. Why’d they bother calling him up?

 

[Demigod]

Agreed. Play him with talent or leave him in Laval. Why’d they bother calling him up?

Exactly. He was having a good season in Laval. Let him take heavy minutes and be an impact player in Laval instead of bringing him in Montreal to play 12 min.

Laval is having a good season, let the team win and dont make call up that doesnt serve the Habs. By doing this you screw Laval. Put Pezzetta in the line up instead

 

[Habs]

What a creampuff of a player, invisible and vanilla. Why on earth is he playing , Pez would be better at this point.

 

[Kosseca]

Send him back to Laval. Hope he dominate and you can trade him for decent value.

 

[schwang26]

Back to Laval for the year, Davidson has earned next call-up.

Unless there’s injuries, there should be no call ups. A guy gets a couple points and everyone thinks he deserves a look. We’re a last place team. There’s no one in Laval that will change that. How about we have a successful farm team at least? Enough with the yo-yoing of these guys. It does nothing except hurt Laval and throws off these young players after they get sent down again.

Exactly. He was having a good season in Laval. Let him take heavy minutes and be an impact player in Laval instead of bringing him in Montreal to play 12 min.

Laval is having a good season, let the team win and dont make call up that doesnt serve the Habs. By doing this you screw Laval. Put Pezzetta in the line up instead

OMG! I’ve been saying this for years. Thank you!

 

[HabzSauce]

Send him back to Laval. Hope he dominate and you can trade him for decent value.

Yea he's 100% trade bait even if he does step it up.

Too many smurfs on this team as is

 

[WeThreeKings]

Unless there’s injuries, there should be no call ups. A guy gets a couple points and everyone thinks he deserves a look. We’re a last place team. There’s no one in Laval that will change that. How about we have a successful farm team at least? Enough with the yo-yoing of these guys. It does nothing except hurt Laval and throws off these young players after they get sent down again.


OMG! I’ve been saying this for years. Thank you!

I wasn't saying to call him up to just call him up; it's exactly what the first part of your sentence is.. if there's injuries, he's the one who earned the next call up.

Laine is back anyhow so we are maxed at the roster with him returning. Roy should go back down because he won't have a chair. But he shouldn't get another call up this year, send the message he didn't get from training camp.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Sent back to Laval




All signs point to Laine being cleared.