Value of: Josh Manson

[duckpuck]

Manson plays a top 4 role on the Ducks. A solid gritty defenseman on a very good contract (signed through 2017-18 at $825K). His game is very complimentary to smaller, mobile offensive defenseman (Vatinen or Fowler). The Ducks seem pretty high on him.

What does your team offer for Manson?

I'm thinking the Ducks could package him with Stoner, and if that's the package, then not expecting a lot back.

In a trade for Manson without an albatross, what type of young forward would you offer?

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[WhatTheDuck]

Manson plays a top 4 role on the Ducks. A solid gritty defenseman on a very good contract (signed through 2017-18 at $825K). His game is very complimentary to smaller, mobile offensive defenseman (Vatinen or Fowler). The Ducks seem pretty high on him.

What does your team offer for Manson?

I'm thinking the Ducks could package him with Stoner, and if that's the package, then not expecting a lot back.

In a trade for Manson without an albatross, what type of young forward would you offer?

One of the last players the Ducks should be moving. He plays in our top 4 for dirt cheap, and is completely unique amongst all these young D in our system in terms of what they bring to the table.

Absolutely not a player you throw away just to gain some short term cap relief, no way.

 

[duckpuck]

One of the last players the Ducks should be moving. He plays in our top 4 for dirt cheap, and is completely unique amongst all these young D in our system in terms of what they bring to the table.

Absolutely not a player you throw away just to gain some short term cap relief, no way.

I want to know his value to other teams; not the opinion of an apparent duck fan as to why he shouldn't be traded. Everyone can be traded, just ask Wayne Gretzky.

Thank you for your participation.

 

[ck26]

In a trade for Manson without an albatross, what type of young forward would you offer?

Coyotes don't really need him, but if we had a spot for him, I'd offer Ryan MacInnis or Brendan Perlini.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I want to know his value to other teams; not the opinion of an apparent duck fan as to why he shouldn't be traded. Everyone can be traded, just ask Wayne Gretzky.

Thank you for your participation.

You made the following statement -

I'm thinking the Ducks could package him with Stoner, and if that's the package, then not expecting a lot back.

... and that's what I responded to. You stated that you think Manson could be moved to facilitate a short term cap dump. I provided sound reasoning as to why that's a bad idea.

If you just want to know his value in a bubble that's fine, but why? He isn't someone they should be looking to move right now, and by the time that changes his value will inevitably be different.

 

[Kalv]

No one will pay as much as we would need to be ready to part with him, this threat is destined to die or become a very intense insult thread between Ducks and other fan bases who will be interested

 

[Nordic*]

His value to the Ducks is probably 200% higher than it would be based on his level of skill.

Would take a lot to pry him away.

 

[Tripod]

25 year old, RHD, playing in the top 4, makes under 1 million for 2 years.

You don't trade that....especially when you are a cap team.

 

[Vipers31]

One of the last players the Ducks should be moving. He plays in our top 4 for dirt cheap, and is completely unique amongst all these young D in our system in terms of what they bring to the table.

Absolutely not a player you throw away just to gain some short term cap relief, no way.

Whether or not OP wants to hear it, this is entirely correct. Not a good idea, whatsoever.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Would never trade Manson especially as a cap dump
Womp womp noise for the op

 

[Spazkat]

25 year old, RHD, playing in the top 4, makes under 1 million for 2 years.

You don't trade that....especially when you are a cap team.

This ^^ Of all the players to look at trading, Manson's contract alone should ensure he's not part of the conversation

 

[bernmeister]

Would never trade Manson especially as a cap dump
Womp womp noise for the op

One of the last players the Ducks should be moving. He plays in our top 4 for dirt cheap, and is completely unique amongst all these young D in our system in terms of what they bring to the table.

Absolutely not a player you throw away just to gain some short term cap relief, no way.

Likely this by heusy_79, although to be fair, the OP is intending to discern BOTH in a package or not, whether likely as a cap saving measure or not, what is an idea as to interest. By extension, if a deal were to start to be put together, how much is Manson worth in fair payment, or would there be overpayment, and if overpayment, how much and by who?

I want to know his value to other teams; not the opinion of an apparent duck fan as to why he shouldn't be traded. Everyone can be traded, just ask Wayne Gretzky.

Thank you for your participation.

I will participate in your quest after first acknowledging....

His value to the Ducks is probably 200% higher than it would be based on his level of skill.
Would take a lot to pry him away.

likely expectation^


Returning to OP
as to cap vehicle
the rangers have limited cap space, but would consider IMO additional moves internally or with other partners to generate room if it is profitable [ie first dealing Klein + Lindberg to Oilers for 2018 1st + Bogdan Yakimov, assuming EDM accepts the 3.5 ish m cap gain] or doesn't cost too much [since buyout is not doable today, but later, that means releasing, and not sure exactly how much relief that generates and what strings are attached]

I have been talking about side deals to facilitate these results, which seem necessary since a single magic bullet solution. Here I mean we got a Christ Summers getting 600k, we flip him to you for a doing double, 2.5 x that. A couple of these, with Manson as the payoff inducement, is your package.

I'm happy to get the ball rolling with that illustration, and as the market develops, will get back to you some days hence to advise if NY will top best offer the competition generates.

As and for the rest of the roster, presumably as to value exchange, Rangers can offer prized prospects and/or senior vets (still mostly right side of 30) just advise who has your interest

Not available are the young core: Kreider, Hayes, Vesey, Zib, Miller, Skjei, Graves, Gropp, Nieves and to a lesser extent McIlrath, as we need RD and also I don't want AV to win, to think he controls everything, that he can damage our prospects by head game playing and denying him time ahead of Girardi; I want AV to capitulate, and I expect McIlrath will succeed in spite of AV [while AV had some contribution to the development of both Kreider and Miller, to a far larger part I believe they succeeded in spite of, not because of, AV].

If you want to go the futures only route, I could see something like Tambellini, Kovacs and Stromwall all ELCs + 2 Ranger 3s for Manson and 2 Duck 4s
something like that

If you want something else, there are many variables, pls narrow it down

good luck

 

[leafsfan1234]

JVR
Gardiner
Bracco

for

Fowler
Manson
Stoner

Would the Ducks bite?

 

[ManofSteel55]

I want to know his value to other teams; not the opinion of an apparent duck fan as to why he shouldn't be traded. Everyone can be traded, just ask Wayne Gretzky.

Thank you for your participation.

1) Gretzky was sold

2) Totally different economic scenario.

Keep him. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to get him on Edmonton, but he's likely worth too much to Anaheim because of their cap situation for a deal to be made. I'd gladly take a Manson and Stoner for something cheaper type deal though to help that cap problem.

 

[ManofSteel55]

JVR
Gardiner
Bracco

for

Fowler
Manson
Stoner

Would the Ducks bite?

I highly doubt any team would be interested in moving out 3 defensemen in the same deal.

 

[xxreact9]

One of the last players the Ducks should be moving. He plays in our top 4 for dirt cheap, and is completely unique amongst all these young D in our system in terms of what they bring to the table.

Absolutely not a player you throw away just to gain some short term cap relief, no way.

What this guy said.....

Why is everyone looking to guys like Mason, Fowler... our BEST VALUED CONTRACTS.. to move in a cap relief.

That is the exact opposite of logic. Seriously.

 

[Arthuros]

JVR
Gardiner
Bracco

for

Fowler
Manson
Stoner

Would the Ducks bite?

Well, we end up with more cap hit than before the trade, and our blueline would then be:

Lindholm - Vatanen
Gardiner - Despres
Theodore - Bieksa

That would be one of the worst defences in the league. So no thanks.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Bieksa/Manson for Polak and JVR 50% retained

 

[dracom]

Bieksa/Manson for Polak and JVR 50% retained

way too much salary coming back our way since Bieksa wouldn't waive to go to Toronto.

 

[leafsfan1234]

Well, we end up with more cap hit than before the trade, and our blueline would then be:

Lindholm - Vatanen
Gardiner - Despres
Theodore - Bieksa

That would be one of the worst defences in the league. So no thanks.

This doesn't include Manson but would Gardiner/JVR + Bracco for Fowler + Bieksa/Stoner be any closer?

Seems like it's pretty tough to work something out here that would work. The problem is that your most enticing trade assets are on great contracts in Fowler/Manson. Ducks might be better off trying to unload Stoner/Bieksa in a downgrade of their picks. Something like their 1st + Bieksa for some team's 2nd.

 

[Arthuros]

This doesn't include Manson but would Gardiner/JVR + Bracco for Fowler + Bieksa/Stoner be any closer?

Seems like it's pretty tough to work something out here that would work. The problem is that your most enticing trade assets are on great contracts in Fowler/Manson. Ducks might be better off trying to unload Stoner/Bieksa in a downgrade of their picks. Something like their 1st + Bieksa for some team's 2nd.

God, I wish it was that easy to unload Bieksa.

JVR + Bracco for Fowler + Stoner seems overly favourable to the Ducks, but maybe that's because I don't know much about Bracco aside from last night's CHL highlights.

 

[leafsfan1234]

God, I wish it was that easy to unload Bieksa.

JVR + Bracco for Fowler + Stoner seems overly favourable to the Ducks, but maybe that's because I don't know much about Bracco aside from last night's CHL highlights.

We'd prefer Bieksa I would think, not sure if that would change your opinion of the trade. Bracco has a lot of talent, but he's a ways away from being in the NHL and we're stacked on wingers prospects which makes him expendable.

 

[Gecklund]

Probably won't be enough being a division rival and all but the best the Sharks could do is Goldobin. Great offensive winger who's development is stagnating a little bit because he deserves playing time in the NHL but we don't have space for him.

 

[anezthes]

One of the last players the Ducks should be moving. He plays in our top 4 for dirt cheap, and is completely unique amongst all these young D in our system in terms of what they bring to the table.

Absolutely not a player you throw away just to gain some short term cap relief, no way.

This.

JVR
Gardiner
Bracco

for

Fowler
Manson
Stoner

Would the Ducks bite?

No.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Solid young defenseman making under a million to be traded yea this will go over well with Ducks fans. What other teams would value him and Ducks value him is not close to the same.