Jordan Schroeder

[Gorgeous George]

Interested to see your thoughts on Schroeder.

Definitely a force at the WJC for the USA, however, his numbers seemed to dip last year in the AHL following solid college and his brief AHL stint.

Anyone been watching him play and make some projections 3-4 years down the road?

50-60 pts possible?

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[Skyver]

I don't know man, I forgot he existed. His numbers in the A are underwhelming by miles. Maybe he isn't that good to overcome size issues.

 

[Tiranis]

I don't know man, I forgot he existed. His numbers in the A are underwhelming by miles. Maybe he isn't that good to overcome size issues.

He was PPG most of the year when put at center, but I believe the team is trying to switch him to the wing and he played most of the year there. Also please keep in mind that the Moose were a very low-scoring team this year, had a horrible PP, and very few veterans who are necessary in the AHL to bring the rookies along. Also this is the first year he had to play this many games.

I think he'll have a good season next year and then make the jump to the NHL. I wouldn't worry about his size too much, I don't think it has really been a big concern in the AHL — more a matter of adjusting his game to fit playing on the wing.

 

[voxel]

Also please keep in mind that the Moose were a very low-scoring team this year, had a horrible PP, and very few veterans who are necessary in the AHL to bring the rookies along. Also this is the first year he had to play this many games.

Yeah, I don't buy that argument - ever. If he's going to be an impact player he has to exceed/outperform his teammates. Of the few Moose games I saw he looked good, but not elite (not the way Nigel Dawes kills everyone in the AHL).

I doubt he'll be a Zach Parise, but he might be a 0.5 PPG NHL regular in a few years. No sure about his FO% but with his size, I wouldn't use him a center.

 

[GCM]

I see him becoming something in the mold of what Mason Raymond is now.

50 point player playing on the wing of the second line, second PP unit, one of the PK units, responsible in his own end etc.,


One thing he has up on Raymond is vision because Schroeder sees plays developing and reads them very well, I find. Not to say MayRay doesn't, just Schroeder seems strong in that respect.

 

[trentmccleary]

I always find it striking looking at how often his production keeps going down with prolonged exposure at every level.

WCHA: 1.29
next yr: 0.76

WJC: 1.83
next yr: 1.14

Reg. + playoffs
AHL: 0.88
next yr: 0.45

If he ever wins the Calder Trophy, you might want to consider trading him ASAP.

 

[Tiranis]

Yeah, I don't buy that argument - ever. If he's going to be an impact player he has to exceed/outperform his teammates. Of the few Moose games I saw he looked good, but not elite (not the way Nigel Dawes kills everyone in the AHL).

I doubt he'll be a Zach Parise, but he might be a 0.5 PPG NHL regular in a few years. No sure about his FO% but with his size, I wouldn't use him a center.

Well, I watched the Moose, so it's not like I'm making my report up. Also, I think you misunderstood what I was saying somewhat.

I'm not claiming he's going to be the next Zach Parise. IMO he will develop into a 50-60 point player that's dynamite on the PP and I think the Canucks would be very happy with that.

It's kind of how people look at Hodgson's production with the Moose and think he's a bust, but what they don't realize is that his coach (Claude Noel) has said so many times that Cody is by far their best player and creates 5-6 chances each game, but he just didn't have the linemates that would finish them.

 

[MN_Gopher]

I always find it striking looking at how often his production keeps going down with prolonged exposure at every level.

WCHA: 1.29
next yr: 0.76

WJC: 1.83
next yr: 1.14

Reg. + playoffs
AHL: 0.88
next yr: 0.45

If he ever wins the Calder Trophy, you might want to consider trading him ASAP.

His numbers, to me, mean he can make a good player great. Ryan Stoa had 22 goals his freshmen-sophmore year. With Schroeder he had 24 goals his re-shirt junior year. The next year at the U he had no one on his wing that had a true goal scoeres instinct.

Didn't he have a marginal winger at the WJCs the first year that he set up like crazy?
Then he went to the third line?

Not a savior. Chances are still fine for a solid NHLer.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Schroeder was hurt this season midway in.

Schroeder left the game at 6:47 of the first period when another player fell on him. He had to be helped off and watched the third period leaning on a pair of crutches in the corner of the rink by the dressing room.

Schroeder missed 16 games with a high-ankle sprain and came back to finish off the season.

I still think he will be a top 6 NHL forward, but he's a project due to size.

 

[Iplayhockehh]

Well, I watched the Moose, so it's not like I'm making my report up. Also, I think you misunderstood what I was saying somewhat.

I'm not claiming he's going to be the next Zach Parise. IMO he will develop into a 50-60 point player that's dynamite on the PP and I think the Canucks would be very happy with that.

It's kind of how people look at Hodgson's production with the Moose and think he's a bust, but what they don't realize is that his coach (Claude Noel) has said so many times that Cody is by far their best player and creates 5-6 chances each game, but he just didn't have the linemates that would finish them.

No way, Shirokov is the best player on the moose(ATM). Cody will probably be better in a couple of years. But seriously, you cant say that Hodgson is their best player when he was scoring points at a 0.57% rate in a span of 52 games while Shirokov scored points at a 0.76% rate in 76 games. You can't even bring up the argument that Cody got off to a slow start because Shiro did as well. Cody got hot in the middle of the season, but Shirokov was already hot by then and he only cooled down when he was sent back down from the NHL(most likely he was confused and lost confidence). That's not to say that Cody is a lesser prospect than Shiro, Shiro is just more proven as of now. If Cody lacks quality linemates and could be scoring at a higher rate then you can argue that Shiro should be PPG in the AHL or higher.

 

[vanuck]

Schroeder's struggles did seem to come from adjusting to the wing, but he did better when put back at center. The Canucks see him as a winger in future, but for now I still think he should play at center and rack up the points first before anything else. It's not like he'll be a regular next year, and possibly even next next year for that matter.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Normally nobody would care. Just because this whole site was calling him a steal when he got drafted, we can also say there's a good chance he's probably not as good as people made him out to be.

Low scoring team, injuries, whatever...yes that sucks but saying he might become a Mason Raymond kind of player or 50-60 points player is a stretch at this point.

 

[#66]

I see him becoming something in the mold of what Mason Raymond is now.

50 point player playing on the wing of the second line, second PP unit, one of the PK units, responsible in his own end etc.,


One thing he has up on Raymond is vision because Schroeder sees plays developing and reads them very well, I find. Not to say MayRay doesn't, just Schroeder seems strong in that respect.

I'm not sure if you're talking about his role on the team or style of play. I don't think Schroeder is that fast. IMO he's kind of like Little form Win/Atl.

 

[MN_Gopher]

Normally nobody would care. Just because this whole site was calling him a steal when he got drafted, we can also say there's a good chance he's probably not as good as people made him out to be.

Low scoring team, injuries, whatever...yes that sucks but saying he might become a Mason Raymond kind of player or 50-60 points player is a stretch at this point.

Raymond's draft year he was in the AJHL. The next two he was at tUMD. Then he played 49 NHL games and 20 AHL games.

Schroeder's draft year he played at the U. Played one more and one in the AHL. All he has to do is play 49 NHL games next year and he is right on pace with Raymond.

Some guys get punished for playing in the AHL younger and not putting up big numbers right away.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Raymond's draft year he was in the AJHL. The next two he was at tUMD. Then he played 49 NHL games and 20 AHL games.

Schroeder's draft year he played at the U. Played one more and one in the AHL. All he has to do is play 49 NHL games next year and he is right on pace with Raymond.

Some guys get punished for playing in the AHL younger and not putting up big numbers right away.

Get punished ? That poster was comparing him with Raymond, just because of his speed anyway.

Just skip the Raymond part than if that makes you feel better. Jordan Schroeder is not on pace with many others players of his age. I hope this is better.

 

[BLAME CANADA*]

Get punished ? That poster was comparing him with Raymond, just because of his speed anyway.

Just skip the Raymond part than if that makes you feel better. Jordan Schroeder is not on pace with many others players of his age. I hope this is better.

does it really matter if he's on pace with others in his class?... no he's young and players all develop different. Schroeder is a ways a way from making the deep Canuck team and Gillis has said he wants to develop our young players which mean most likely a few season in the AHL. I'm sure Hodgson will be back in the AHL next year with Schroeder.

 

[BLAME CANADA*]

Normally nobody would care. Just because this whole site was calling him a steal when he got drafted, we can also say there's a good chance he's probably not as good as people made him out to be.

Low scoring team, injuries, whatever...yes that sucks but saying he might become a Mason Raymond kind of player or 50-60 points player is a stretch at this point.

And calling Raymond when he was at the same point as Schroeder is at now was a stretch to call him a 50-60 point player... what's your point?... how about the Sedins everyone had them labeled as nothing more than 2nd liners now they have both lead the NHL in scoring in back to back years and have a 100 point seasons... back when they were young and developing it would of been a big stretch to say they would lead the NHL in scoring...

 

[Iplayhockehh]

Get punished ? That poster was comparing him with Raymond, just because of his speed anyway.

Just skip the Raymond part than if that makes you feel better. Jordan Schroeder is not on pace with many others players of his age. I hope this is better.

Shroeder was 19 this year... how many 19 year olds are even in the AHL? Especially when they are 5"9. At this point he can be anything from an NHL bust to a 90 point player. Wait until he's 23-25, we'll have a pretty good idea of what he is by then.

 

[trentmccleary]

Shroeder was 19 this year... how many 19 year olds are even in the AHL? Especially when they are 5"9. At this point he can be anything from an NHL bust to a 90 point player. Wait until he's 23-25, we'll have a pretty good idea of what he is by then.

He turned 20 on Sept 29th; his first AHL game this season was 2 weeks later.

 

[voxel]

Schroeder's struggles did seem to come from adjusting to the wing, but he did better when put back at center. The Canucks see him as a winger in future, but for now I still think he should play at center and rack up the points first before anything else. It's not like he'll be a regular next year, and possibly even next next year for that matter.

A 5 foot 9 center in NHL? How many are there that are effective? He's gonna a be a winger so keep his pro career there.

I don't think he'll bust, but so far he's not progressing the way a 1st rounder should. He seems to need the extra development years like Marchand and Omark did.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

Hodgson and Schroeder both seem like bust but I guess they're young enough to turn it around. Definitely don't have the potential they used to.

 

[AntonRodin*]

Hodgson and Schroeder both seem like bust but I guess they're young enough to turn it around. Definitely don't have the potential they used to.

What kind of potential did they lose?

 

[Blane Youngblood]

Some guys get punished for playing in the AHL younger and not putting up big numbers right away.

Well, at least the only punishment is that their stocks drop in the eyes of HF fanboys.

It's like when Bobby Ryan kept dropping down the prospect rankings for using all of his junior years and then playing in the AHL for a while. He was always great, just his rep took a hit until he came to the NHL, and then it was like a revalation how good he was, even though he was a solid prospect all along.