John Tavares Versus Nicklas Backstrom
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Varan
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Felt the same but landed on Backstrom because of a better two-way game and more playoff success.
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I'm going with Tavares. At their bests Tavares was more dynamic offensive player and was twice a Hart trophy nominee.
I think Backstrom's "two-way" play to be kinda overstated and he has spent his whole career been in maybe the the most advantageous position possible-centering the greatest goal scorer of all time.
I think Backstrom's "two-way" play to be kinda overstated and he has spent his whole career been in maybe the the most advantageous position possible-centering the greatest goal scorer of all time.
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How much playoff success do you think Nick Backstrom would have if his best line mate was PA Parenteau and then signed with a team that doesn’t get past the first round? And how much playoff success do you think Tavares would have if he played with Ovechkin, Carlson etc.?
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It's pretty close but I'll go with Tavares
While Backstrom is undoubtedly talented, he's also had the benefit of playing alongside Ovechkin for his entire career
If Tavares was afforded that same opportunity instead of being straddled with Moulson and Parenteau, he would have eclipsed 100 points at some point in his career and also won the Art Ross at some point
I also personally rank Tavares' Hart worthy 2012-13 season as the best individual season between these two
While Backstrom is undoubtedly talented, he's also had the benefit of playing alongside Ovechkin for his entire career
If Tavares was afforded that same opportunity instead of being straddled with Moulson and Parenteau, he would have eclipsed 100 points at some point in his career and also won the Art Ross at some point
I also personally rank Tavares' Hart worthy 2012-13 season as the best individual season between these two
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I'd lean toward Tavares because of peak. Tavares had about a 2-3 year stretch where he was playing like a top 5 center. Backstrom's never done that.
Backstrom's better defensively, but I'm not sure that makes up for the lower peak.
Backstrom's better defensively, but I'm not sure that makes up for the lower peak.
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Tavares next to Marner and Rielly didn't generate any playoff success, so I'm not sure. I guess we'll never find out.
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Just wait for Jack Slater then.......
Varan is smart enough to know that the answer is Tavares.
Stephen
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I think Backstrom gets this just because he has the completeness of resume we've kind of waited on Tavares to have throughout his career that hasn't quite materialized (yet?). Looking back at Tavares' pre-Leaf days he never really caught up to his contemporary comparable Steven Stamkos in pure production, didn't quite manage to have the "intangible" success of a Jonathan Toews with the Islanders, and never really separated himself as that generational player people thought he would be scoring 70 plus goals in the OHL 2x years out from his draft year.
The expectations for Backstrom at the beginning of his career was nowhere near as high as Ovechkin's sidekick, but has methodically crossed off a 100 point season, a Stanley Cup, closing in on 1,000 points, etc.
The expectations for Backstrom at the beginning of his career was nowhere near as high as Ovechkin's sidekick, but has methodically crossed off a 100 point season, a Stanley Cup, closing in on 1,000 points, etc.
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I think it was pretty obvious to anyone who watched him in his 17 year old and 18 year old seasons that he wasn't going to be a generational player. His playoffs, in particular, highlighted that. Typically, players like Crosby and McDavid absolutely GO OFF in the playoffs. Tavares' playoff numbers, in comparison, were nothing special (relatively speaking).
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Well, if you remember his stock dropped significantly entering the 2009 draft. He went from the presumptive first overall going back as far as 2006 to all of a sudden the idea that Hedman (and even maybe Duchene) had surpassed him as the likely 1st overall pick. So he was definitely downgraded, but remained one of those Hockey Canada darlings. Not to say the guy isn't a superstar, but I'd say he's not quite lived up to the high bar he set for himself in his early junior career.
But ive been told Matthews is the new Ovechkin and that Reilly should win the Norris?
For real the fact that Toronto(including Tavares) can't make it past the first round despite having(for real) such great players is a nod in Bäckströms favor.
Gurglesons
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Perhaps team success but he has also played on better teams.
Their individual playoff resumes are pretty equal as are their regular season ones with JT perhaps having the higher absolute independent peak.
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Tavares seems to be put in the upper echelon of centers but imo always leaves you expecting more. Iirc the last playoffs as an islander is when he finally looked like he would take the next step and then he just didn't. Getting drafted that high also has expectations Backstrom didn't have. Tavares hasn't come close to backstroms best season
Varan
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I'd probably lean towards Tavares, his 3-year window from 2013-2016 was really good.
HOWEVER, it is close man. This is a great poll.
We don't get too many of them
Varan
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But tbh, Tavares has been EXTREMELY underwhelming. The amount of hype this dude got and he has almost nothing to show for it.
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Varan
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He got smoked both times. Literally had no chance at winning. A very distant 3rd both times
