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hotpaws said:
easier to get him to waive than getting him to agree to the island

if it was only up to the team then i'd send JT to the island with some company -Holl-Muzzin-Mzarek-Kerfoot-Dubie

that would give the new GM 25m to re shape this team in the off season
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I would add Shanny to that list
 
BertCorbeau said:
Well it's the worst slump he's had in like a decade .. I mean it's easy to write him off now because of age, and certainly he's in decline, but there's still a good chance he gets his game back.
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Ya he won’t be playing this bad long term but there seems to be worse results every year since coming here. Such is life as a leafs fan.

Personally I’m hoping for the eric staal transformation when he had the comeback year in minni. Slim down and get faster
 
hotpaws said:
nope , i believe JT delusionally believes he's a top 5 player in the the game and that's because he's been catered to his entire life and never had his poor play or his deficiencies held accountable

but i do believe the team can get him to give a list of team(s) he'd waive too , players don't want usually want to stay when there no longer wanted
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If only they had the guts to try that
 
GardinerTheForward said:
Ya he won’t be playing this bad long term but there seems to be worse results every year since coming here. Such is life as a leafs fan.

Personally I’m hoping for the eric staal transformation when he had the comeback year in minni. Slim down and get faster
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Probably not.. JT was never a great skater and worked hard earlier in his career but that would be nice.

The best thing the Leafs can do is to ensure he has speedy wingers around him.

I do wonder if he got COVID back in December and if there was anything lingering from that? Or I'm hoping he is putting himself more in neutral to preserve himself for the playoffs.

But hey if the guy keeps producing that's some value added. I mean he's on pace for another 30G, new PPG season. He's also almost 62% on the face-off dot ... That's actually incredible. How many teams would love a PPG player as their #2C? The grass isn't always greener!
 
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ER89 said:
willy would have like 10 more points if JT could pot his chances. Yeah willy looks a bit more disengaged i'll give you that, but its hard to generate anything when you have to wait like 20 seconds everytime for JT to catch up.
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Might be a long shot but I'd like to see Tavares play meaningful sheltered minutes AWAY from Nylander lower down the lineup, on the wing (while still taking draws).

Pair Nylander up with speedier guys like Kerfoot, Engvall and/or Mikheyev in more defensive zone starts.

The Leafs have plenty of guys that can take faceoffs well but the current 2C can't play defense well because his foot speed can't keep up with the pace of play.

Honestly think this stretch of poor play might be due to the virus but it could be a counter measure for the next half decade too
 
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I think at this moment, just put JT on the wing and have Willie plays C or Kerfoot plays C.
It is very painful watching the way JT been playing since COVID break.
It could very well be post COVID recovery as I had back spasms for about one month after COVID.
 
I'm not sure there is a real value in trading him, even if he agreed.

If another team figures he's worth about 8M, they might be willing to trade an 8M player for him, with us retaining 3M, but we'd still have an 8M player with an 11M hit. Or they'll trade one or more players who are overpaid by 3M.

Tavares does have real value to us. Yes he's slow and getting slower, and he makes a lot of poor decisions and passes, but he's excellent at faceoffs (#3 among players with 400+ faceoffs), and despite his slump, he's very dangerous when he gets the puck within about 30 feet of the net.
 
Tavares is a 75+ point two way centre who is amazing on the draw. I think it needs to be pointed out more often. He really hasn’t changed much throughout his career minus his first season in Toronto which was a career year. I agree, slimming down would help him out a lot as he gets older
 
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BertCorbeau said:
Not really a fair comparison considering ELC's and RFA's greatly effect contract value.

He's overpaid but he was also an UFA, which is the name of the game. Since signing in Toronto he's ranked 20th overall in points and 12th in goals over 4 seasons so far. That's pretty damn steady production. Are elements of his game declining? Absolutely.

In term of your AAV though, you're not fair off. Right now he's around the $8-$8.5 mill mark right now.

I knew at the time of the signing it was at this point where the contract could really start looking bad. But he's still providing quality #2C play. If he can maintain that for another couple of years, that nearly takes him to the end of his deal. Honestly hasn't dropped off like I've thought, but his skating is a big concern.
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Skating is a big part of the game in today’s NHL especially the way the Leafs want to play. I don’t see this going well for them.
 
francis246 said:
what are you talking about? Kerfoot makes $3.5, Kadri makes $4.5. They could have easily made that work it's a 1 million dollar difference between the two players. The problem was never Kadri's salary. It was they lost trust in Kadri.

Kadri literally would fit into our cap this season as well if he was still here instead of Kerfoot. We just don't sign Ritchie and we are cap compliant. This notion that JT meant the end of Kadri is absolute bullshit, they kept him here a full year after the signing.

Kadri was traded for 2 reasons, 1 they wanted to try and leverage the fact that they had a lot of good forwards and try and get a quality dman out of Kadri. Two he was suspended in back to back playoffs, team decided to move on from him. They literally got no cap savings out of the Kadri trade.
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Kadri was wasted as a 3C which is a checking line. They have the perfect guy now making $1.5M. They can’t even really afford Kerfoot now.
 
hotpaws said:
Hyman and his wife are both from Toronto, she’s a lawyer and he loved being a leaf but they had no problem packing and moving to tropical Edmonton even though he could have signed here albeit for a little less so let’s stop acting like we know what JT and wife would do if they asked him to waive .
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He has no incentive to waive though. He signed here because this is where he wanted to play. It’s wishful thinking.
 
BertCorbeau said:
Probably not.. JT was never a great skater and worked hard earlier in his career but that would be nice.

The best thing the Leafs can do is to ensure he has speedy wingers around him.

I do wonder if he got COVID back in December and if there was anything lingering from that? Or I'm hoping he is putting himself more in neutral to preserve himself for the playoffs.

But hey if the guy keeps producing that's some value added. I mean he's on pace for another 30G, new PPG season. He's also almost 62% on the face-off dot ... That's actually incredible. How many teams would love a PPG player as their #2C? The grass isn't always greener!
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No team would want him for $11M with his skating issues. Sure he’s a great face off guy and good below the dots in the ozone but he doesn’t drive a line or defend well. He’s overpaid by about $3M and his play is regressing. If the Leafs could trade him they would have to eat $3-4M of his remaining AAV.
 
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It’s fine, he’s fine. Dude is still a stud IMO. He has lost half a step - reasons can be debated. I still think he has lots left in the tank. This isn’t at all similar to Campbell.
 
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I don't really care that he didn't have a point, but he didn't even look effective. He's also been around 15-16 minutes these last few weeks, and was under 14 tonight. It might just be lingering covid issues, but there's no denying that he has to get a lot better
 
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I'm all in on the covid lingering effects theory. He was so good before the games got postponed. Hard to believe this current level of play is due to some big decline because of that. The break provided a big rest period for him, which should've alleviated those concerns.
 
Strong feeling this thread will play out pretty similar to the Marner thread by the end of the year. Players go through rough patches. This is JT’s turn, sucks but it is what it is.
 
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GlitchMarner said:
Zero points on ten goals isn't a good look for a guy who hasn't scored a goal in ages.
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Outside of Nylander’s one goal, did the second line do anything? Nylanders elite shot bails him out. He scores his goal and then is invisible the rest of the night too
 
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