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Next Leafs management team: John, we want to go to in another direction. We want you to waive.
Tavares: I don't care. I'm not going anywhere under any circumstances.

So then what?
Then they have a problem but what’s the alternative if we have another early exist ?

I don’t see how we improve by breaking Marner or Willie into lesser pieces and we can’t keep doing the same thing and getting knocked out early every year .
 
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send him to russia
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who would that be? I'm not single, might not be married for 30 years, but I do understand sacrifice for your partner and ensuring that your partner has purpose and say in the relationship. Which is why I understand that it's probably a less than 5% chance that JT would waive, considering he moved her mainly because of his wife's desire to be closer to family!
Hyman and his wife are both from Toronto, she’s a lawyer and he loved being a leaf but they had no problem packing and moving to tropical Edmonton even though he could have signed here albeit for a little less so let’s stop acting like we know what JT and wife would do if they asked him to waive .
 
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Hyman and his wife are both from Toronto, she’s a lawyer and he loved being a leaf but they had no problem packing and moving to tropical Edmonton even though he could have signed here albeit for a little less so let’s stop acting like we know what JT and wife would do if they he asked to waive .

that's a completely different situation, in Hyman's situation, they are acquiring more wealth, so the move was a no brainer. In JT's situation, moving or waiving his NTC would be a lateral move which is why I see no reason why he would do the move. The only comparison between Hyman and JT is they both left a team to get more money in UFA.
 
I don't think there's a chance in hell Tavares waives his nmc. He came back home to settle with his family. I think when this contract is up he'll either retire or sign a ridiculously team friendly contract with the leafs.
 
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he looked better last game

still need much more from him tho + some 5 v 5 production
 
Some are willing to wait and give him the benefit of the doubt. If his play continues, yeah it's a big problem
Wasn't long ago 16 looked lost
And Willy hasn't exactly been tearing it up lately.
willy would have like 10 more points if JT could pot his chances. Yeah willy looks a bit more disengaged i'll give you that, but its hard to generate anything when you have to wait like 20 seconds everytime for JT to catch up.
 
we could have had both still if Kadri didn’t get himself suspended and pissed off upper management
As soon as they signed Tavares, Kadri’s day were numbered. They couldn’t afford to pay a 3C $4.5M after paying Tavares, Matthews and Marner $11M each. They got excited because a top free agent wanted to come home but they really needed a 1D not a 2C for $11M.
 
willy would have like 10 more points if JT could pot his chances. Yeah willy looks a bit more disengaged i'll give you that, but its hard to generate anything when you have to wait like 20 seconds everytime for JT to catch up.

Willie has been bit by more than just JTs cold hands. He has just one 5 on 5 secondary assist, while Kerfoot has 12 and even Kampf has 4. He could have played almost the exact same game and be pacing for over 90 points.
 
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Keefe is like a bantam AAA coach , just keeps throwing out his small handful of top players and if that isn't working then he has no backup plan .

JT will get his points vulturing around the net but but he keeps getting slower and slower which kills his impact in every other area of the ice .
The Leafs have a very effective first and third lines and a passable fourth line. Not sure how it’s the coaches fault that the goalies can’t stop the puck, the 2C can’t skate and the GM hasn’t bothered to build a NHL defense or a lineup that responds well to physical contact. That’s poor team construction.
 
Tavares is around 15th amongst Cs in scoring this year and over his first four years as a leaf. This with a healthy xgf% too. And he does this without true top line minutes.

he's pretty good.
Pretty good players don’t get paid $11M though. He has the fifth highest cap hit and is 58th in goals and 38th in points. He’s a $7-8M player at best.
 
The Leafs have a very effective first and third lines and a passable fourth line. Not sure how it’s the coaches fault that the goalies can’t stop the puck, the 2C can’t skate and the GM hasn’t bothered to build a NHL defense or a lineup that responds well to physical contact. That’s poor team construction.
can't disagree with this but i will say Keefe could change it up to get a more effective 2nd line

i posted this before , throw JT on AM's wing and build a 2nd line around Willie

Willie had his best playoff last season when he could just play his game without worrying about getting his C involved

yea it's not a great look having to move your 11m dollar C to wing but chances are it'd work better than what their doing now
 
John Tavares is mired in his worst scoring slump in a decade, amid fears that age is catching up to the Maple Leafs captain | The Star

The line had been more or less flying until the team’s COVID break in December. Tavares was scoring, Nylander was being praised for his defensive work, and Kerfoot was everyone’s hero as the Swiss Army knife of the team, thriving as the left-winger on the line. Through the first 32 games, Nylander led the Leafs in scoring (35 points) while Tavares and Auston Matthews each had 34.

But the line had a very bad night in Colorado on Jan. 8, and terrible night the next game in Vegas on Jan. 11, and things haven’t been right since. Tavares’s line — and it hasn’t always been both Nylander and Kerfoot — has been out-possessed, outshot and outscored (20-9) in nine of its last 18 games in five-on-five situations. Tavares is minus-12 since Jan. 8.

That might be OK for a .500 team, or an average player. But not for Tavares, in the midst of a seven-year, $77-million (U.S.) contract that, from a cap-hit perspective, has him tied with Drew Doughty as the fifth-most expensive player in the NHL.

That has caused some worry. The team’s high-priced players over 30 — Tavares and injured defenceman Jake Muzzin — are underperforming. Those who suggested the Leafs would regret the length of Tavares’s deal are starting to have their voices heard.

Tavares, 31, played a season-low 15 minutes and four seconds against Montreal on Monday, and the fear is he has begun the downward slide that so many athletes experience after 30.

This is Tavares’s longest goalless drought since he went 11 straight games without a goal to finish the 2011-12 season. He went 17 straight games without a goal in his rookie season, and 13 without a goal in the early part of the 2011-12 season.

The line simply seems out of sync. For example, Tavares will often retrieve a puck along the boards and send it a few feet behind him.
Matthews will do this too, with Mitch Marner in the vicinity to pick it up. But when Tavares has done it, neither Nylander nor Kerfoot were anywhere in the vicinity. Tavares’s hard-won puck battle goes for naught, or less than naught, ending up on the opposition stick with the play going the other way. Pittsburgh and St. Louis each got scoring chances from it in recent games.

For now, it is simply a slump. All players go through them.
Since Tavares entered the league in 2009, his 381 goals are third only to Alex Ovechkin (542) and Steve Stamkos (439). And his 866 points are sixth in the NHL.

But the Leafs, who have lost five of their last seven games, need Tavares, and for that matter Nylander, to snap out of it.
 
Pretty good players don’t get paid $11M though. He has the fifth highest cap hit and is 58th in goals and 38th in points. He’s a $7-8M player at best.

Not really a fair comparison considering ELC's and RFA's greatly effect contract value.

He's overpaid but he was also an UFA, which is the name of the game. Since signing in Toronto he's ranked 20th overall in points and 12th in goals over 4 seasons so far. That's pretty damn steady production. Are elements of his game declining? Absolutely.

In term of your AAV though, you're not fair off. Right now he's around the $8-$8.5 mill mark right now.

I knew at the time of the signing it was at this point where the contract could really start looking bad. But he's still providing quality #2C play. If he can maintain that for another couple of years, that nearly takes him to the end of his deal. Honestly hasn't dropped off like I've thought, but his skating is a big concern.
 
Is JT goving quality 2C play? Overall id agree. Lately he looks terrible out there
Not really a fair comparison considering ELC's and RFA's greatly effect contract value.

He's overpaid but he was also an UFA, which is the name of the game. Since signing in Toronto he's ranked 20th overall in points and 12th in goals over 4 seasons so far. That's pretty damn steady production. Are elements of his game declining? Absolutely.

In term of your AAV though, you're not fair off. Right now he's around the $8-$8.5 mill mark right now.

I knew at the time of the signing it was at this point where the contract could really start looking bad. But he's still providing quality #2C play. If he can maintain that for another couple of years, that nearly takes him to the end of his deal. Honestly hasn't dropped off like I've thought, but his skating is a big concern.
lately* he doesn’t even look like a quality 2c
 
I don't get people saying Taveras is not too big a concern. You got 11m dollars wasted. That's a huge f***ing concern especially when this dude looks slower than Spezza. Jesus.
Yeah but stats say he’s great. Lol.
 
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John Tavares is mired in his worst scoring slump in a decade, amid fears that age is catching up to the Maple Leafs captain | The Star

The line had been more or less flying until the team’s COVID break in December. Tavares was scoring, Nylander was being praised for his defensive work, and Kerfoot was everyone’s hero as the Swiss Army knife of the team, thriving as the left-winger on the line. Through the first 32 games, Nylander led the Leafs in scoring (35 points) while Tavares and Auston Matthews each had 34.

But the line had a very bad night in Colorado on Jan. 8, and terrible night the next game in Vegas on Jan. 11, and things haven’t been right since. Tavares’s line — and it hasn’t always been both Nylander and Kerfoot — has been out-possessed, outshot and outscored (20-9) in nine of its last 18 games in five-on-five situations. Tavares is minus-12 since Jan. 8.

That might be OK for a .500 team, or an average player. But not for Tavares, in the midst of a seven-year, $77-million (U.S.) contract that, from a cap-hit perspective, has him tied with Drew Doughty as the fifth-most expensive player in the NHL.

That has caused some worry. The team’s high-priced players over 30 — Tavares and injured defenceman Jake Muzzin — are underperforming. Those who suggested the Leafs would regret the length of Tavares’s deal are starting to have their voices heard.

Tavares, 31, played a season-low 15 minutes and four seconds against Montreal on Monday, and the fear is he has begun the downward slide that so many athletes experience after 30.

This is Tavares’s longest goalless drought since he went 11 straight games without a goal to finish the 2011-12 season. He went 17 straight games without a goal in his rookie season, and 13 without a goal in the early part of the 2011-12 season.

The line simply seems out of sync. For example, Tavares will often retrieve a puck along the boards and send it a few feet behind him.
Matthews will do this too, with Mitch Marner in the vicinity to pick it up. But when Tavares has done it, neither Nylander nor Kerfoot were anywhere in the vicinity. Tavares’s hard-won puck battle goes for naught, or less than naught, ending up on the opposition stick with the play going the other way. Pittsburgh and St. Louis each got scoring chances from it in recent games.

For now, it is simply a slump. All players go through them.
Since Tavares entered the league in 2009, his 381 goals are third only to Alex Ovechkin (542) and Steve Stamkos (439). And his 866 points are sixth in the NHL.

But the Leafs, who have lost five of their last seven games, need Tavares, and for that matter Nylander, to snap out of it.
JT and WN will def snap out of it but the question again is do the Leafs have the right mix of players
 
As soon as they signed Tavares, Kadri’s day were numbered. They couldn’t afford to pay a 3C $4.5M after paying Tavares, Matthews and Marner $11M each. They got excited because a top free agent wanted to come home but they really needed a 1D not a 2C for $11M.

what are you talking about? Kerfoot makes $3.5, Kadri makes $4.5. They could have easily made that work it's a 1 million dollar difference between the two players. The problem was never Kadri's salary. It was they lost trust in Kadri.

Kadri literally would fit into our cap this season as well if he was still here instead of Kerfoot. We just don't sign Ritchie and we are cap compliant. This notion that JT meant the end of Kadri is absolute bullshit, they kept him here a full year after the signing.

Kadri was traded for 2 reasons, 1 they wanted to try and leverage the fact that they had a lot of good forwards and try and get a quality dman out of Kadri. Two he was suspended in back to back playoffs, team decided to move on from him. They literally got no cap savings out of the Kadri trade.
 
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Is JT goving quality 2C play? Overall id agree. Lately he looks terrible out there

lately* he doesn’t even look like a quality 2c

Well it's the worst slump he's had in like a decade .. I mean it's easy to write him off now because of age, and certainly he's in decline, but there's still a good chance he gets his game back.
 
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