John Tavares Discussion

[Stephen]

we're at the point where having an average #1C as our 2C has apparently become a fatal weakness.

If Tavares’ cap hit was that of an average number one center people would be more accepting of his level of contribution lately. The bigger the delta between a $11 million price tag and let’s say an $8 million value is a roster player worth $3 million.

 

[67leafs]

JT is working has Bag off!

 

[zeke]

If Tavares’ cap hit was that of an average number one center people would be more accepting of his level of contribution lately. The bigger the delta between a $11 million price tag and let’s say an $8 million value is a roster player worth $3 million.

I get it. He's overpaid. I knew that the day we signed him, though, and so did Dubas.

That being said, if we are talking about trading him, he is only paid $7.95m in real money the next 3 seasons at ages 32, 33, 34.

 

[Koolboss]

Tavares is around 15th amongst Cs in scoring this year and over his first four years as a leaf. This with a healthy xgf% too. And he does this without true top line minutes.

he's pretty good.

Okay Dubus, we believe you

 

[hotpaws]

That's kind of the hard part of the exercise.

Makes a lot of sense if he waives. The part that doesn't make sense is him waiving.

didn't say it would be easy but at the end of the day this is a business and sometimes peoples feeling get hurt but it's mgmt's job to what's best for the team and i don't see JT refusing to waive if he feels he's unwanted , finding a team on his list to take him is a much more difficult undertaking however

and yeah he may be upset the team wants him to waive but the only thing that doesn't make sense is wanting to stay in a failing situation when the team no longer wants you around

to bad we didn't have an elite ruthless GM like Masai , poor entitled DeRozan didn't even see it coming . lol , but it won us a championship i i never believed was possible

 

[hotpaws]

If Tavares’ cap hit was that of an average number one center people would be more accepting of his level of contribution lately. The bigger the delta between a $11 million price tag and let’s say an $8 million value is a roster player worth $3 million.

you add that 3m dollar savings to Holl's 2m and it gets you a 5m dollar d

so yeah it could have quite a positive affect on our team

 

[hotpaws]

JT is working has Bag off!

and the sad part is even though he is giving his best effort he still can't keep up with the flow of the play

 

[francis246]

didn't say it would be easy but at the end of the day this is a business and sometimes peoples feeling get hurt but it's mgmt's job to what's best for the team and i don't see JT refusing to waive if he feels he's unwanted , finding a team on his list to take him is a much more difficult undertaking however

and yeah he may be upset the team wants him to waive but the only thing that doesn't make sense is wanting to stay in a failing situation when the team no longer wants you around

to bad we didn't have an elite ruthless GM like Masai , poor entitled DeRozan didn't even see it coming . lol , but it won us a championship i i never believed was possible

JT isn't waiving, I posted it earlier. His wife has a practice here, he isn't uprooting her. He just had two kids, he came home because he wanted to be closer to his family. I believe that also had a lot to do with his wife's wishes. So it's highly unlikely he waives. Additionally players don't ask for NMC's to be later asked to waive them. There's a reason why he put it in his clause. I believe JT will retire a maple leaf.

He's in complete control, why would he move. & Quite frankly I don't see a reason for him to move. The cap isn't his issue, that's management's

 

[hotpaws]

JT isn't waiving, I posted it earlier. His wife has a practice here, he isn't uprooting her. He just had two kids, he came home because he wanted to be closer to his family. I believe that also had a lot to do with his wife's wishes. So it's highly unlikely he waives. Additionally players don't ask for NMC's to be later asked to waive them. There's a reason why he put it in his clause. I believe JT will retire a maple leaf.

He's in complete control, why would he move. & Quite frankly I don't see a reason for him to move. The cap isn't his issue, that's management's

his wife has 2 very young children at home , a husband who makes millions and people think she's working full time or even at all ? she's a physio therapist not a surgeon so i have no idea why people act like she's has some major career that cannot be disturbed by moving to a different city

he came here for a many reasons but if the team was still in the toilet he'd never have signed with us so while i don't believe he'd want to be traded i'm sure he'd be just as happy in a few other cities for a short period of time

lots of players have nmc's and still get traded , there more for players being able to dictate where they can get traded to as opposed to never being moved

 

[zeke]

Okay Dubus, we believe you

no you don't.

 

[Stephen]

I get it. He's overpaid. I knew that the day we signed him, though, and so did Dubas.

That being said, if we are talking about trading him, he is only paid $7.95m in real money the next 3 seasons at ages 32, 33, 34.

Well, no one really cares about actual MLSE dollars. They can pay him $30 million in real money all the power to him. But cap is cap.

The realistic discussion is how do you get juice out of him and manage a gentle decline. He’s just sort of a piece we have to live with.

 

[Fogelhund]

contrary to popular opinion the world doesn revolve around Johnny and if we get knocked out early again it'll be easy for Dubas or his successor to realize the best most effective way to re-tool this team is to somehow trade JT

JT has earned the right to have his full NMC. He chose Toronto a) because his wife's medical career is here, and it's where she works. b) because his wife's family is from here. c) because he is from here.

While I'm not arguing with anything you just posted, understand that it's highly improbable that JT will waive under any condition. This is where he wants to be, this is where his family wants to be. He signed here, to have control that he wouldn't be traded.. that was the terms of his signing here.

No, the world doesn't revolve around JT, but his NMC, and desire to stay here, means he's staying here... and that's pretty much all there is to it.

 

[francis246]

his wife has 2 very young children at home , a husband who makes millions and people think she's working full time or even at all ? she's a physio therapist not a surgeon so i have no idea why people act like she's has some major career that cannot be disturbed by moving to a different city

he came here for a many reasons but if the team was still in the toilet he'd never have signed with us so while i don't believe he'd want to be traded i'm sure he'd be just as happy in a few other cities for a short period of time

lots of players have nmc's and still get traded , there more for players being able to dictate where they can get traded to as opposed to never being moved

I'm sorry that you think that every NHL wife puts their life on hold for their husbands. It simply isn't true. It will be disturbed because she loses her client base, loses her passion project. I remember reading part of the reason why they moved here is because of her career and this is where she wanted to practice.

It's kinda sad that you think in this day and age that athlete wives just sit at home and do nothing all day. (while some might actually do that) there's a lot that love to work and keep busy.

 

[Fogelhund]

his wife has 2 very young children at home , a husband who makes millions and people think she's working full time or even at all ? she's a physio therapist not a surgeon so i have no idea why people act like she's has some major career that cannot be disturbed by moving to a different city

he came here for a many reasons but if the team was still in the toilet he'd never have signed with us so while i don't believe he'd want to be traded i'm sure he'd be just as happy in a few other cities for a short period of time

lots of players have nmc's and still get traded , there more for players being able to dictate where they can get traded to as opposed to never being moved

Not married eh?

 

[zeke]

Well, no one really cares about actual MLSE dollars. They can pay him $30 million in real money all the power to him. But cap is cap.

The realistic discussion is how do you get juice out of him and manage a gentle decline. He’s just sort of a piece we have to live with.

it's really not hard to live with having a 1C as our 2C. i can think of worse things to overpay a few million for.

 

[Koolboss]

I get it. He's overpaid. I knew that the day we signed him, though, and so did Dubas.

That being said, if we are talking about trading him, he is only paid $7.95m in real money the next 3 seasons at ages 32, 33, 34.

Neither you or Dubas knew what were doing. It was not just the overpaid part, JT was NOT needed in Toronto bottom line.

 

[hotpaws]

Not married eh?

Happily married for over 30 years so I find humorous to be discussing this with single people in there 20’s who have no idea how it is to raise a family .

 

[francis246]

Happily married for over 30 years so I find humorous to be discussing this with single people in there 20’s who have no idea how it is to raise a family .

who would that be? I'm not single, might not be married for 30 years, but I do understand sacrifice for your partner and ensuring that your partner has purpose and say in the relationship. Which is why I understand that it's probably a less than 5% chance that JT would waive, considering he moved her mainly because of his wife's desire to be closer to family!

 

[PROUD PAPA]

He needs to be apart from Nylander.
Somebody mentioned on the broadcast last night that when he starts finding the back of the net things will fall into place and i agree with that. Some of the turnovers are so out of character for J.T you know he's struggling emotionally/mentally with not only his lack of offensive production but his wingers as well. Whatever faults he has, not being a team first player isn't one of them.

 

[TheBigFour]

He's not moving.

 

[Fogelhund]

Happily married for over 30 years so I find humorous to be discussing this with single people in there 20’s who have no idea how it is to raise a family .

Any idea whom those people in their 20's are? I don't. He's not moving...

 

[zeke]

Neither you or Dubas knew what were doing. It was not just the overpaid part, JT was NOT needed in Toronto bottom line.

its funny - this board was over the moon when we signed him, saying that we finally had a 'real #1C' that could help us shelter the "flawed" Auston Matthews.

I tried to point out back then that Auston was on another level than Tavares, and that Tavares was just a very good, not elite, #1C. much zeke-mocking ensued, of course. Leaf fans always seem to think players on other teams are flawless and only leafs have flaws.

tbh, Tavares has actually been better over the first 4yrs here than I expected. Past the halfway point in a 7 year deal and he's still chugging along at his career averages as a solid average #1C level of performance. That was on the higher end of my expectations.

 

[keonsbitterness]

didn't say it would be easy but at the end of the day this is a business and sometimes peoples feeling get hurt but it's mgmt's job to what's best for the team and i don't see JT refusing to waive if he feels he's unwanted , finding a team on his list to take him is a much more difficult undertaking however

and yeah he may be upset the team wants him to waive but the only thing that doesn't make sense is wanting to stay in a failing situation when the team no longer wants you around

to bad we didn't have an elite ruthless GM like Masai , poor entitled DeRozan didn't even see it coming . lol , but it won us a championship i i never believed was possible

Next Leafs management team: John, we want to go to in another direction. We want you to waive.
Tavares: I don't care. I'm not going anywhere under any circumstances.

So then what?

 

[zeke]

Next Leafs management team: John, we want to go to in another direction. We want you to waive.
Tavares: I don't care. I'm not going anywhere under any circumstances.

So then what?

if it ever came to that (huge IF), i really don't think tavares is the kind of guy that would pull that kind of thing. Most people waive when asked, and i'm sure tavares would too - with some limitations, of course.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Not married eh?

Probably divorced, and kinda telling.