Value of: John Carlson at TDL

[MileHighCapsFan]

Curious as to the value.

Still solid offensively, but D game has slipped over the years a little.

Still should get a decent return if Caps start selling off older parts once the playoff hopes die off.

 

[TGWL]

8 million is tough when you consider he's got 2 more years. I think teams would want you to retain 20% or so.

 

[Gliff]

So he is actually a perfect fit for the Ducks needs. RHD vet. High cap hit but 6 mil in salary the next 2 years. His contract would run out right when the Ducks are going to have to sign all their UFAs to their second contracts.

It just doesn’t make any sense for the Ducks to trade any big assets for him. Ideally he goes to a contender but who can afford an 8 mil 34 year old defensemen that is contending?

 

[trick9]

Yeah, he's not available. Perhaps in the summer if they decide to blow it up. We've already seen how bad team this is without him.

 

[StickShift]

8 million is tough when you consider he's got 2 more years. I think teams would want you to retain 20% or so.

If Washington were to properly commit to a rebuild and endure a couple years of planned pain—retaining 50% and maximizing the quality of assets they get back would be an astute way to go.

My impression of the Capitals is that they are happy to stick in this mushy middle though. At least as long as Ovechkin is playing.

 

[Drake1588]

As a thought exercise, I don't suppose it hurts any, but there is no chance the Capitals trade this player.

Washington isn't doing a hard rebuild until Ovechkin hangs 'em up. There are no guarantees even then, but they're certainly not starting one while he's playing.

 

[hamzarocks]

Tavares for Carlson

If we can get JT to waive his NMC

 

[Hierso]

Tavares for Carlson

If we can get JT to waive his NMC

Good luck with that.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Tavares for Carlson

If we can get JT to waive his NMC

LOL, JT ain't waiving.

 

[SnS]

Caps are in a weird spot. I don’t think they’ll be selling anyone off this year.

 

[trick9]

Tavares for Carlson

If we can get JT to waive his NMC

No thanks.

 

[TheNumber4]

I would guess he’d be near impossible to move. Most of his value is tied up in his PP QB status. Not too many teams looking for that guy.

 

[HTFN]

I would guess he’d be near impossible to move. Most of his value is tied up in his PP QB status. Not too many teams looking for that guy.

?

Unless we're at the point where PPQB just means "the defenseman on the powerplay" he's not really the QB and especially wasn't when Backstrom was playing

 

[Thechozen1]

I would guess he’d be near impossible to move. Most of his value is tied up in his PP QB status. Not too many teams looking for that guy.

Jets would have interest, depending on cost.

 

[YP44]

Doughty

 

[MileHighCapsFan]

As a thought exercise, I don't suppose it hurts any, but there is no chance the Capitals trade this player.

Washington isn't doing a hard rebuild until Ovechkin hangs 'em up. There are no guarantees even then, but they're certainly not starting one while he's playing.

Agreed.

This is a thought exercise, that has a low (but non-zero) chance of occurring this season.

Not to say that it shouldn't... because it would be another move in the right direction - that could still accomplish the Ovi goals.

But for the sake of conversation, his value would be good to know.. because, you never know.

 

[MileHighCapsFan]

So he is actually a perfect fit for the Ducks needs. RHD vet. High cap hit but 6 mil in salary the next 2 years. His contract would run out right when the Ducks are going to have to sign all their UFAs to their second contracts.

It just doesn’t make any sense for the Ducks to trade any big assets for him. Ideally he goes to a contender but who can afford an 8 mil 34 year old defensemen that is contending?

Open the bidding. What is semi reasonable that pinches, but you could live with to fill that role.

 

[go4hockey]

Tavares for Carlson

If we can get JT to waive his NMC

He would not waive. And this does nothing for the Caps

 

[All Mighty]

So he is actually a perfect fit for the Ducks needs. RHD vet. High cap hit but 6 mil in salary the next 2 years. His contract would run out right when the Ducks are going to have to sign all their UFAs to their second contracts.

It just doesn’t make any sense for the Ducks to trade any big assets for him. Ideally he goes to a contender but who can afford an 8 mil 34 year old defensemen that is contending?

I would never have considered Carlson, but you are right, he would be a great fit in the short term. He does have a 10 team no trade list, so that's always something to consider. And like you said, we aren't going to be giving up any top tier pieces like any 1st round pick, Zellweger, Luneau, etc. I'm curious what the Caps would theoretically be looking for. If it's current roster help, the only real non-rental pieces that have value that I would be willing to part with are Jones and Lundestrom. If it's picks, the most valuable pick we have that I'd be willing to include would be Boston's 2024 2nd. And if they want prospects, I would be fine with giving up Helleson, Tracey, or Nesterenko, just to name a few.

I think the most I'd give up for Carlson would be something like Helleson + BOS 2nd for Carlson (no retention), but even that might be pushing it for that big of a cap hit.

 

[Roshi]

I would never have considered Carlson, but you are right, he would be a great fit in the short term. He does have a 10 team no trade list, so that's always something to consider. And like you said, we aren't going to be giving up any top tier pieces like any 1st round pick, Zellweger, Luneau, etc. I'm curious what the Caps would theoretically be looking for. If it's current roster help, the only real non-rental pieces that have value that I would be willing to part with are Jones and Lundestrom. If it's picks, the most valuable pick we have that I'd be willing to include would be Boston's 2024 2nd. And if they want prospects, I would be fine with giving up Helleson, Tracey, or Nesterenko, just to name a few.

I think the most I'd give up for Carlson would be something like Helleson + BOS 2nd for Carlson (no retention), but even that might be pushing it for that big of a cap hit.

Propably close to the value you could expect out of this, and at the same time a reason why Caps should not trade him. Makes Caps much worse now and dont really give keys to get as much better in the future either.

Open for blockbuster??!

Zegras
BOS 2nd '24

for

Carlson
Kuznetsov (@ 5,75 mills, a bit under 30% retained)
BOS 2nd '25
COL 2nd '25
+ maybe a prospect (not a top end one)

- Ducks get vet RD that could be a fit, Caps get a much needed help and skill at center.
- Some whispers saying you dont like Zegras anymore. Well wait until you get Kuzy and you'll really miss him again.
- BOS 2nd's in there just to balance a bit of draft capital for both, Caps dont have a 2nd for this year and you dont have one for next year, so why not swap and we dont have to sit a round.
- COL 2nd 25 + maybe a prospect to balance and we need to sign it right away, because this is actually more horrible for you that you initially think (no matter how bad you think it is), and we are hoping you dont notice it.

 

[All Mighty]

Propably close to the value you could expect out of this, and at the same time a reason why Caps should not trade him. Makes Caps much worse now and dont really give keys to get as much better in the future either.

Open for blockbuster??!

Zegras
BOS 2nd '24

for

Carlson
Kuznetsov (@ 5,75 mills, a bit under 30% retained)
BOS 2nd '25
COL 2nd '25
+ maybe a prospect (not a top end one)

- Ducks get vet RD that could be a fit, Caps get a much needed help and skill at center.
- Some whispers saying you dont like Zegras anymore. Well wait until you get Kuzy and you'll really miss him again.
- BOS 2nd's in there just to balance a bit of draft capital for both, Caps dont have a 2nd for this year and you dont have one for next year, so why not swap and we dont have to sit a round.
- COL 2nd 25 + maybe a prospect to balance and we need to sign it right away, because this is actually more horrible for you that you initially think (no matter how bad you think it is), and we are hoping you dont notice it.

I'll be honest with you, outside of Ryan Leonard, the Caps don't have a single asset that I would put Zegras in a trade for. Maybe if your 2024 1st gets into the top 10, then I would add that to the list.

 

[trick9]

I would never have considered Carlson, but you are right, he would be a great fit in the short term. He does have a 10 team no trade list, so that's always something to consider. And like you said, we aren't going to be giving up any top tier pieces like any 1st round pick, Zellweger, Luneau, etc. I'm curious what the Caps would theoretically be looking for. If it's current roster help, the only real non-rental pieces that have value that I would be willing to part with are Jones and Lundestrom. If it's picks, the most valuable pick we have that I'd be willing to include would be Boston's 2024 2nd. And if they want prospects, I would be fine with giving up Helleson, Tracey, or Nesterenko, just to name a few.

I think the most I'd give up for Carlson would be something like Helleson + BOS 2nd for Carlson (no retention), but even that might be pushing it for that big of a cap hit.

So you want the Capitals best D and basically have ~15 of the Ducks best assets off the board?

I'd take Zellweger + 1st if we want to discuss trades that make no sense to either team.

 

[Gliff]

So you want the Capitals best D and basically have ~15 of the Ducks best assets off the board?

I'd take Zellweger + 1st if we want to discuss trades that make no sense to either team.

Obviously it doesn’t make sense for either team. My post was more of an observation then an offer.

 

[All Mighty]

So you want the Capitals best D and basically have ~15 of the Ducks best assets off the board?

I'd take Zellweger + 1st if we want to discuss trades that make no sense to either team.

I mean the closest recent comparable to a John Carlson trade was the Brent Burns trade to Carolina. Both of the assets I offered in my fake trade were more valuable than any of the assets that San Jose got, and San Jose even had to retain money for that.

I will add that I doubt Washington would trade Carlson anyway. But if they were to trade him and take no cap back, they would not be getting much in return. The only reason Erik Karlsson netted a 1st was because of retention and Pittsburgh sending multiple bad contracts to San Jose (and the 100 point season helped, too).

 

[57special]

As a thought exercise, I don't suppose it hurts any, but there is no chance the Capitals trade this player.

Washington isn't doing a hard rebuild until Ovechkin hangs 'em up. There are no guarantees even then, but they're certainly not starting one while he's playing.

Elephant in the room, as it should be. Until he retires or is traded, WAS's window is now, even if it isn't, if you know what I mean. they have plenty of time to tank later, should they want to go that route. Funny how they, and their bitter rivals, PIT, find themselves in a similar spot.