I'm sorry but yes, fast IS better than hagelin and will probably make him expendable. Better offensively and will be as good defensively, hagelin hasn't gotten better since his first 2 years in the league
Player Discussion Jesper Fast: Part II
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surf
Wheres the Reggae?
So true Ulf absolutely owned the boards he came out with the puck almost every time .
Fast does not make Hagelin "expendable" and they are not interchangable. They play different positions (and Fast is a right-handed shot). There's plenty of room in the lineup for two defensively responsible players, who can kill penalties effectively and have some offensive abillity. Fast may turn out better offensively, but he's going to have to start doing it over the course of a whole season before anyone can start to say he's better than Hagelin.
And it seems to me that it's very shallow to compare them "because they're both Swedish." Hagelin opted to spend four years at the University of Michigan and then spent less than half a season in the minors before cracking the NHL lineup permanently. Fast stayed in Sweden and then came to NA (and we all know what it took for him to get into this situation). Different paths, different players. Plenty of room on the Rangers for both of them.
Ulf was a bigger player (taller and heavier) who used that to his advantage. I think Fast is probably quicker and more agile. What they share is that they are both smart players who react quickly (and smartly) to the game around them. I doubt though that Fast will ever come close offensively. Scoring 20 goals, much less 30 in this era is a lot harder.
Beacon
Embrace the tank
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Nash - Brass - MZA
Kreider - Stepan - Miller
Hagelin - Hayes - Fast
Glass - Moore - Lindberg
Looks pretty good to me!
If we can get rid of Boyle and put McIlrath in the top-6, we should also get rid of Glass since we don't need to punishers in the lineup at the same time. We can easily replace him with a Stempniak-like free agent.
Trade Nash and picks/prospects for JVR and we would be one of the younger teams in the NHL, so our "window" would probably last quite a few years until Lundqvist starts playing like yesterday on a regular basis.
And Miller and Fast can switch when they need more defensive awareness. Although, I seriously doubt that Sather will stand pat and not make any trades/UFA signings. He's in permanent win now mode--even if we win now, he's going to want to come back and do it again.
I wouldn't get too enamored about "getting rid of Boyle" though--he's playing well and the Rangers made a commitment for two years with a NMC. I don't see any reason why the organization will change its mind.
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Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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Where does Fast fit in next year?
I don't love him on Stepan's line. Putting him with Brassard would be a waste. I think him on the 4th line is a waste too, he's too good for it IMO.
If I have to watch Hagelin-Hayes-Fast cycle for hours and not get a shot off again my eyes will bleed.
I'm very slowly starting to warm up to the idea of trading Hagelin.
But before that, I think trying that Hagelin-Stepan-Nash line should be considered.
I don't love him on Stepan's line. Putting him with Brassard would be a waste. I think him on the 4th line is a waste too, he's too good for it IMO.
If I have to watch Hagelin-Hayes-Fast cycle for hours and not get a shot off again my eyes will bleed.
I'm very slowly starting to warm up to the idea of trading Hagelin.
But before that, I think trying that Hagelin-Stepan-Nash line should be considered.
Matz03
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Playing Kreider with Hayes isn't a bad idea, they seemed to have some chemistry the few times they've been together. But then you might be lowering Kreiders production by force feeding Hags better minutes. Also is it really a waste with Fast on the 4th line? Our 4th line this year in the playoffs was a big step back vs. last year. I'd be surprised if one of the major off season goals isn't to improve the 4th line.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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Here's the roster if you put Fast on the 4th line
Kreider-Stepan-XXX
Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Hayes-Miller
XXX-Moore-Fast
Now hypothetically, trade Hagelin and you have this.
Kreider-Stepan-XXX
Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello
Miller-Hayes-Fast
XXX-Moore-XXX
Personally, I like Miller - Hayes - Fast more than Hagelin - Hayes - Miller in theory.
And do you want Hagelin in the top 6? Because I know this board would have an aneurysm if that happened.
This stems from the fact that I think Fast is too good for the 4th line. And, IMHO, Fast will be a better and more valuable player than Hagelin by the end of this year.
Frankly, the Rangers' 4th line problems have been self inflicted. Sign Condra, integrate Lindberg, drop Glass into the ocean, and you have an excellent 4th line again.
I have the same exact issue when conjuring up rosters. He's too good for #4, but too vanilla for #1 or #2. I insert him with Miller on the opposite Wing and feel better, but then start thinking "Wait... Miller, Hayes, & Fast are so young...is that third line a little too green overall?".
I like him, but am never satisfied with a fit.
haveandare
Registered User
Will make him expendable? Definitely possible. Is better right now? No.
Hagelin had more goals this year than Fast has points in the NHL total. Even if you extrapolate off of Fast's nice playoff performance, and assume he'd keep that pace for 82 games, he'd still be outscored by Hagelin every single year of his NHL career.
Fast is a very promising young player, and he may very well make Hags expendable, but as of now he still has far too much to prove to be able to say he's a better NHL player than Hagelin is.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Right now Id go
Kreider-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Xxx-KH-Miller
Lindberg-Moore-Fast
Shutdown 4th line, Hagelin is the best fit on Stepans wing.
Kreider-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Xxx-KH-Miller
Lindberg-Moore-Fast
Shutdown 4th line, Hagelin is the best fit on Stepans wing.
All things considered, Hagelin's best fit is with Edmonton or St. Louis, IMO. I don't think he'll be here next season.
From what I've heard (mostly from Carp at the Rangers Report blog) is that AV loves having Hagelin on the team. Obviously, that won't make a difference if his contract demands are outrageous, but it does count for something.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Matz03
Registered User
I like Miller - Hayes - Fast but as someone mentioned maybe too green. I also would like more time given to Kreider - Stepan - Miller but again that could be a defensive nightmare at times as well. Ultimately I think Haglin gets at least another 1-2 year deal on the cheap. The 4th line can be made better with a promotion and a smart signing. With time Fast might match Haglins production, time will tell, but we how we're getting about 17 goals from Haglin no matter where he plays.
NYR Viper
Registered User
Fast played very well with Miller in the AHL. Those 2 were linemates. Kreider played with Hayes at BC and has a chemistry with Stepan.
Kreider-Stepan-Hayes
______-Miller-Fast
That seems like a logical grouping
Kreider-Stepan-Hayes
______-Miller-Fast
That seems like a logical grouping
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
A bottom 6 of:
Hagelin-Hayes-Miller
Lindberg-Moore-Fast
is basically having two 3rd lines that can both perform offensively. I like it.
That's why I would like a move for Yakupov and slide him in with Kreider and Stepan.
Then again, if Fast continues to grow off his playoff performance, he's be wasted on the 4th.
I don't know about him making Hags expendable, but if his contract demands are too high or he has a rough season, having Fast around could definitely make it easier to deal him.
Still, Hagelin's speed is very important to this team so it would be tough to see him go.
McSauer
Defense Wins Games
Where's Moore? He's not getting traded until Lindberg shows he can be his replacement, which is not going to happen--even if everything goes right from training camp on--until late in the season, if at all.
And let's not think that Moore will somehow play in the top 9 regularly--he can fill in, but that's not ideal for the team on a regular basis.
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
Nope and the salary he's going to make is going to be higher than would allow a team to have him that far down on the depth chart.
Kind of random but an interesting note on Jesper... I'm not really sure what it means, but it says something about the kid that he was on the ice for Hags' OT goal in game 5 vs Pit, McD's OT goal vs Wash in game 5, and Stepan's OT winner in game 7.
Not sure if anybody noticed that.
Not sure if anybody noticed that.
