Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - agreed to 8 x 8.25 aav
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Because I can’t see Neely lying about this number. Referring back to my post, the bruins have a reputation to lose if they really did lie about it: What players would want to come here if that’s the kind of front office the bruins have?
Sure the agent also has a rep to lose. But it currently doesn’t stand as a very good one from previous dealings with players and teams.
Lastly, I really want to believe Sway didn’t know this existed. That it hasn’t gone this far. Call me gullible idc lol. 8 x 8 is a mark that, IMO, is the Bruins paying for what the player can be and not what he currently is.
UncleRico
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Well he could show the last contract offer, but he could also just lie and say that the last contract offer was the only offer. Unless he was forced to hand over his email and all documents regarding this.
Much easier for Neely to prove something was sent/offered as it would be documented.
Lobster57
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As much as Gross seems to live up to his name, I seem to remember Cam playing a little fast and loose with the truth during the whole Mitchell Miller saga
To be fair I believe it is Debrusk who lost out. The question will be in the end was Zadorov the need or Debrusk in the top 6. They definitely left Swayman a reasonable amount of cap space.
In the end if Swayman signs we all move past this in days and let the agent be the scapegoat for any lingering feelings.
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Lewis Gross is and always will be a complete jackass. 2nd only to Allan Walsh league wide.
This is getting weird now. Needs to be resolved one way or the other before the season starts or we're into big distraction to the team territory.
This is getting weird now. Needs to be resolved one way or the other before the season starts or we're into big distraction to the team territory.
UncleRico
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Against the CBA for either side to lie about this. Some big implications involved.
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Agreed.
Boston left enough cap space to sign Sway..if they went out and filled other needs, while only having $5mill for Sway after FA. then I'd have an issue with how they treated him.
IMO, I just don't see Neely having to lie in this situation....no need for this to have dragged out this far.
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I don't think Neely lied, and I don't think Gross never told Swayman the Bruins' offer. I think it's just Gross doing damage control once everyone has been saying 8x8 is a very fair offer.
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Very few, and all bottom-feeders. As an outsider looking in, I find it strange that in the same year, Shesterkin wants to reset the UFA goalie market: Swayman wants to reset the RFA goalie market. They don't have the same agent so are they in cahoots are is it all coincidence?
Out of the top 5 goalies being paid, only 2 have won the cup (Vasi, Bob) but they also had good teams behind them. The other winners had average to slightly over-average goaltending (Aiden Hill, Binnington, Keumper). I think most GMs will take their chances with the average to slightly over-average goalie to build a better roster IMO. The only time I remember a goalie carrying a team on his back to win the cup was Patrick Roy with the 93 Canadiens.
Based on the press conference, it doesn't sound like the Bruins will cave. Wonder if NYR will next summer?
I believe both sides are being disingenuous. Cam has proved to be in over his head as upper management. But I never trust a word out of an agents mouth. They're still lawyers and if their lips are moving............... Boras, Rosenhaus, this guy Gross, POS's
Sure, but is there a massive difference between 9.5 and 9.5? Who cares if 9.5 is setting the market or not ruining it?
I certainly see your point, and don’t necessarily disagree with it, but the actual number is really what matters and ultimately does make the difference one of semantics.
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UncleRico
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Me either I don’t think anyone is lying. I think there was a miscommunication or a verbal offer but no actual contract offer.
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Yes but according to anohter earlier poster, Cam said in his presser that Swayman wants to reset the RFA goalie market.
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KrejciMVP
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Love Neely blurting that out to make Gross panic. Swayman on the clock now. Sway and all his comparables and 1 1st round win vs Toronto house of cards crumbling
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I remember when I was younger I was a few years removed from competitive hockey - my role was something I’ve alluded to previously and it wasn’t to put pucks in the net (tho, dammit, I popped 88 my final year).
Anyway - the only place to go after junior was the local beer leagues. Some are decently competitive with some former pros, etc. lots of European, ECHL, etc.
Including tough guys - this one night the buzz in the arena is this kid Ryan Oatway was just released from his club where he was a fairly well known scrapper and was suiting up in the beer league starting that night. We were the opposing team.
Instantly I was dealing with guys on my team who wanted me to ask him for one because I was known in my own circles as a guy who could hold his own - side note, if you’re ever in that unique situation don’t encourage guys - can’t speak for all but man I hated it. Fighting is scary.
Buuuuuuut, sometimes my heart gets the better of my brain. Me and Ryan are out there for our first shift together and I felt overcome by the energy of it all - blurted out “you’re giving me one” without thinking it through.
I survived it - in fact, I buckled his knees (which made him….smile, yikes) - but my mouth really got me into trouble because my control was lacking in the moment.
The point? Neely’s response today made me feel things similar to that fateful day early in my beer league days.
I really hope I’m wrong.
Anyway - the only place to go after junior was the local beer leagues. Some are decently competitive with some former pros, etc. lots of European, ECHL, etc.
Including tough guys - this one night the buzz in the arena is this kid Ryan Oatway was just released from his club where he was a fairly well known scrapper and was suiting up in the beer league starting that night. We were the opposing team.
Instantly I was dealing with guys on my team who wanted me to ask him for one because I was known in my own circles as a guy who could hold his own - side note, if you’re ever in that unique situation don’t encourage guys - can’t speak for all but man I hated it. Fighting is scary.
Buuuuuuut, sometimes my heart gets the better of my brain. Me and Ryan are out there for our first shift together and I felt overcome by the energy of it all - blurted out “you’re giving me one” without thinking it through.
I survived it - in fact, I buckled his knees (which made him….smile, yikes) - but my mouth really got me into trouble because my control was lacking in the moment.
The point? Neely’s response today made me feel things similar to that fateful day early in my beer league days.
I really hope I’m wrong.
UncleRico
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I know. Problem is, we just don’t know the actual numbers. We didn’t know. We had rumors and thought we knew. Then we had concrete numbers and thought we know. Now we are back to step 1 of not knowing squat lol
But yes i agree, if he’s staying firm asking for 9.5 long term, that’s quite a bit more aggressive than just “not ruining” the goalie market.
That’s what Neely believes. It’s never been what Swayman said, and it’s been a rallying cry used by the f*** Jeremy Swayman crowd for two weeks now
We don’t know what else Swayman has or hasn’t said to be honest
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