Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - agreed to 8 x 8.25 aav

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

We have numerous deletions and more in here. We know tension and emotions are high.
But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[FrankerC]

If Swayman and his agent are content with a 64 million dollar deal aren’t the Bruins kind of locked into it now even if Neely was lying ( don’t think he was ) ? Why not just stop all this nonsense and sign tomorrow?

If we don't see a 8x8 deal signed by the weekend, then we know Swayman thinks he should be paid more.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Maybe Boston offered him $64 million Canadian and Sway wants it in American money lol

Maybe Neely thinks the max is 10 years, so 6.4 per>

 

[UncleRico]

He's obviously lying no matter the specifics. The Bruins especially Sweeney are no saints but in this it seems clear. This is all too familiar in MLB. Agents egos are inflated.

If Gross is intentionally lying and not disclosing contracts to swayman, then that is grounds to having your license revoked.

I highly highly doubt Gross is going to throw his career away on Swayman.

If true, the bruins should immediately report it and provide evidence that a contract was offered. If it was offered there is some form of written communication to back it up.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

I don't think for a second that Sweeney intends to trade Swayman despite the uproar, that would be a last resort option. Cooler heads will prevail and Swayman will settle for 8x8 or slightly more, maybe $8.2 mil/year thereby saving face for Swayman.

 

[UncleRico]

Isn’t Neely risking his job too by leaking that deal though?

If he’s lying he should be fired now

I would imagine the most likely scenario is that there was a miscommunication between Neely and Sweeney.

Not saying it’s impossible Gross is withholding a contract offer. It’s just extremely unlikely.

 

[FrankerC]

If Gross is intentionally lying and not disclosing contracts to swayman, then that is grounds to having your license revoked.

I highly highly doubt Gross is going to throw his career away on Swayman.

If true, the bruins should immediately report it and provide evidence that a contract was offered. If it was offered there is some form of written communication to back it up.

Sports agents laws never get enforced. Most that would happen is Swayman would get rid of Gross.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

What were Sweeney's comments on the 64 mil again?

 

[Blowfish]

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Isn’t Neely risking his job too by leaking that deal though?

If he’s lying he should be fired now

What Neely said was calculated and discussed with Sweeney in advance. I highly doubt bruins are lying. Not how they conducted business over last 10 years.

 

[Over the volcano]

I said in an earlier post I see a few true comparables for Swayman. Oettinger, Shesterkin, and when healthy, Demko.

Problem is, we don't know what their next contract is like. If we did, I think the picture here is much clearer.

We do know what their RFA contracts were though. Adjust those for the rising cap and it looks like 2-5 years at well under 7/per

 

[FrankerC]

What were Sweeney's comments on the 64 mil again?

Sweeney would not make a comment against Neely, Neely is his boss.

 

[Gee Wally]

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Sweeney would not make a comment against Neely, Neely is his boss.

So silence is compliance I guess.

 

[shelbysdad]

It's funny how I can read the responses and narrow it down to 3-4 posters on each side

 

[JCRO]

The amount of people who think Gross would risk his Agents license and therefore his entire career by intentionally not disclosing a contract to swayman is insane.

Fandom is a hell of a drug.

And Neely doesn’t have a job to lose? The bruins front office don’t have a reputation to lose?

Players would not want to sign/resign here if that’s how they conduct business.

Sorry but I think it’s more plausible either the agent is flat out lying or stretching the truth to fit his narrative/make his nut.

 

[LiseL]

Here's the thing though.....Swayman really hasn't said anything about negotiations. If you're referring to his podcast appearance, he didn't divulge anything of detail. It was more about how he was more prepared for negotiations this time.


I mean I don't put anything past the media. They care more about being the first to report something and generating clicks and views. They don't care if its 100% true or not. For all we know the source of the info is someone who knows someone who knows Gross. Its a game of telephone where Gross could have said things with the Bruins are moving slower than he'd like and 2-3 people later that wording turns into "Swayman & his agent haven't heard from the Bruins in 3 weeks"

I don't know. Sens player Shane Pinto also has Gross as an agent. Over the summer while Pinto was negotiating a new contract, rumours were flying around that there could be offer sheets in play. I suspect those rumours were started by Gross. He always seems to be in the mix when this kind of thing happens Ismoke--fire).

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I would imagine the most likely scenario is that there was a miscommunication between Neely and Sweeney.

Not saying it’s impossible Gross is withholding a contract offer. It’s just extremely unlikely.

A miscommunication before a press conference that might impact a $64 million outlay? Highly doubtful. Judging from fallout, logical minds would think it was calculated. But sure, Gross is doing a great job.

 

[BruinDust]

I have a pretty long history in the business world and just because you want to compare two things that have nothing to do with one another doesn’t mean the other side will listen. I understand how comps work and its been part of my daily job for over 20 years.

Once again if you want to believe your feelings matter in negotiations, the go right ahead. Im not that naive.

Feelings and business have about as much comp value as comparing 25 year old RFA goalies with 3 years of experience who you control if they play or not over the next two years to 29 year old forwards with 11 years experience that you have to bid against other teams to obtain.

One of these things is not like the others

Ok you feel all that matters are goalie comparables. If that is the case, why is it taking this long? Riddle me this, considering your many years in business. How many man-hours does it take to run through all the goalie comparables in this situation? Because last time I checked, there aren't exactly thousands of comparables out there to battle over. Every comparable notable was brought up here on a daily basis.

From a team perspective, yup, feelings don't matter as long as you are fine with all possible outcomes. If the Bruins are fine with this not working out and trading him elsewhere, than make it all about business.

For professional athletes, many with thin skin and fragile egos, yeah, it does matter. We don't see it as often in pro hockey, but we've seen many a pro athlete and team relationship go sideways because the athlete simply felt his value wasn't being respected by the team. Based off his own comments, Swayman comes across like an athlete with a bit of a thin skin. Just my opinion. This is a negotiation, it's also an exercise in managing people and egos. You can say it's just business, that's fine, but hard feelings can linger, we are seeing it now. Part of the issue started last summer with the arbitration.

It's of calling it a comp, let's call the Lindholm deal a point of contention. The message it sends to Swayman. Because he can look up Lindholm's stats the past two seasons and say to himself "what the &^%^". "You rolled out the red carpet for this guy but me you draw a hard line in the sand"? It's not like they went out and signed Sidney Crosby here. I think he has a legit beef if the true offer was 8 x 8.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

And Neely doesn’t have a job to lose? The bruins front office don’t have a reputation to lose?

Players would not want to sign/resign here if that’s how they conduct business.

Sorry but I think it’s more plausible either the agent is flat out lying or stretching the truth to fit his narrative/make his nut.

Do you really think Swayman would let his agent lie through his teeth like that?

 

[Over the volcano]

So silence is compliance I guess.

Neely was backing up Sweeney but we shouldn't believe him because we need Sweeney to back up Neely backing up Sweeney?

 

[Scotto74]

I said in an earlier post I see a few true comparables for Swayman. Oettinger, Shesterkin, and when healthy, Demko.

Problem is, we don't know what their next contract is like. If we did, I think the picture here is much clearer.

Wait now i am confused. You say true comparables and name 4 goalies?????? Why not add the bruins positional players to that list???? Or is it that true comps are goalie to goalie?????

Very interesting after 5 hours of telling me thats not how comps works and i am wrong to go and list exactly how i said comps work.

After this flip flop i am done with you


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[SwayHeyKid]

Neely was backing up Sweeney but we shouldn't believe him because we need Sweeney to back up Neely backing up Sweeney?

No, Sweeney can confirm that was an offer. Kinda died on the vine after he said it and nobody asked a follow up.

 

[Gee Wally]

Do you really think Swayman would let his agent lie through his teeth like that?

Wouldnt be the first time a player didnt know what the agent was doing.
Thats how we lost Orr.

 

[JCRO]

Do you really think Swayman would let his agent lie through his teeth like that?

If you’ve read my post, I’m of the very real opinion Sway may not even know what was offered by the Bruins.

Could be that the first time he’s heard 64 mil come from the bruins camp was from Neely directly.

 

[UncleRico]

A miscommunication before a press conference that might impact a $64 million outlay? Highly doubtful. Judging from fallout, logical minds would think it was calculated. But sure, Gross is doing a great job.

It’s significantly more likely than Gross throwing away his entire career for illegally failing to disclose a contract

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Wouldnt be the first time a player didnt know what the agent was doing.
Thats how we lost Orr.

right that I get, but if that's the case, hopefully Gross loses his license.

If you’ve read my post, I’m of the very real opinion Sway may not even know what was offered by the Bruins.

Could be that the first time he’s heard 64 mil come from the bruins camp was from Neely directly.

OK gotcha, could be and if so hopefully Gross gets booted