danpantz
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Clearly someone in swaymans camp is leaking stuff to them if this ends up being true.
The statement thing not the Detroit thing
Idk how you can compare him to Scott Boras when his top three contracts minus Swayman are Nylander, Krug and Sandin. That’s not exactly Boras territory.He’s probably one of the best. Same as with Boras and the MLB, if my kid ends up a pro athlete, I want THAT guy repping him.
I don’t care if hockey players care what teammates make compared to them. Thats not how contracts comps work and if you don’t believe that its fine believe whatever you want.I don't even see the relevance of these articles in the discussion. If you don't think hockey players (or pro athletes in general) care about what their perceived value to the team is relative to their own teammates (regardless of position) then fine, believe whatever you want. I think it's bizarre that a player negotiating a contract with Don Sweeney can't compare himself to other contracts also signed by Don Sweeney because of the position they play.
He wasn't when he signed that contract.
I don't think it was stupid, I think he was being honest and good for him. What Neely did today was take Sweeney off the hook somewhat because he is the one calling Swayman and his agent out.Most would love Sway as their goalie too I would imagine. What Neely did was stupid and if you can't see that I'm not sure what to say,
I'm ok with that below $8M ... $7-$7.5 ishMaybe he wants a 4 year deal from 25 to 29 then cash in on a deal 29-37?
What Neely did was stupid and if you can't see that I'm not sure what to say,
I don't think it was stupid, I think he was being honest and good for him. What Neely did today was take Sweeney off the hook somewhat because he is the one calling Swayman and his agent out.
Question:SJ just traded for Askarov, doubt they'd commit the term to Swayman.
LA doesn't have the cap space. But any team that is trading for Swayman is dealing cap back, and not necessarily in a star or even really good player.
Would probably be a goalie and either middle 6 F + pick/prospect or just a goalie and picks & prospects.
CBJ, ANA and UTA maybe could be landing spots.
Most are good with $8M for 8 years. That’s a boatload for a goalie. Your quibble is not giving him $9.5MLeafs model doesn't work because they spent it all on forwards.
Imagine if the Leafs had Matthews and Nylander, and then spent the other 20 million on a legit No.1 D-man and a legit star No.1 goaltender.
Seems like what fans around here want is an expansion Vegas or Seattle model, where they have no stars just 18 mediocre skaters making roughly the same amount and 2 average goalies.
When you get star players, you keep them. Something this franchise often takes issue with.
Clearly someone in swaymans camp is leaking stuff to them if this ends up being true.
The statement thing not the Detroit thing
It reminds me of when Vancouver had Luongo and Schneider and managed to botch the situation and wound up with Eddie Lack as their starting goalie.Has an org ever gone so quickly from 2 above average goalies to zero?
Question:
If Swayman isn't signed, how can you trade him? Does he need to be signed first?
Can teams still offer sheet him?
The source is most definitely Lewis Gross, the agent. Ryan Whitney would have ties to him through Krug (also represented by Gross), who he's friends with and has been on the Chiclets podcast before years ago.
Clearly someone in swaymans camp is leaking stuff to them if this ends up being true.
The statement thing not the Detroit thing
To a certain degree, yes I am.
Connor Hellebuyck signed that contract at 30 years old. And let's be honest, his playoff record is very suspect. He insists on playing 60+ games every year and it shoots him and his team square in the foot every time.
Saros is 29. Still has never won a playoff series. That being said I felt he took less than he should but factor in no state tax and his own desire to stay in Nashville (I assume), that isn't Swayman's problem IMO.
Andrei Vasilievsky was 25 when he signed his current deal max deal and he signed it Summer 2019 before he ever won a cup or Conn Smythe. He wasn't that far beyond Swayman when he inked that deal. A shade over 200 games played and coming off a disasterous playoff in 2019. Then factor in what the cap was then, what is is right now, and where it is expected to be going, 9.5 per for Swayman is starting to look light in comparison. Oh and there is also the no state tax thing there as well.
That's the issue here all summer. There is no goaltender currently under contract that is a true comparable. In every case there are factors that don't line up. Whether it's age, their track record, when they signed, what the cap was, where the cap went, etc. etc. His real comparables are Shesterkin, Oettinger, when healthy I'd add Demko. But they are still on their bridge deals and unfortunately for the Bruins and their fans, someone has to go first among that group and it's Swayman.
Personally I think the numbers of teams who would sign him to 9-9.5 over a 8 year deal are numerous.
I don't think forcing Sweeney to trade players to fit in his salary is a good strategy. If he likes Boston and wants to stay here, he should take the guaranteed $64M. Make money on the side with endorsements. Set for generations.
I'd agree with you. And if so, it's on Swayman to kick him to the curb.The source is most definitely Lewis Gross, the agent. Ryan Whitney would have ties to him through Krug (also represented by Gross), who he's friends with and has been on the Chiclets podcast before years ago.
Gross has been using Whitney as his mouthpiece in the media during this entire thing.
Which information? Your not the only one im waiting on for a link where Swayman was talking details about negotiations.
Pasta and Mac got paid. They are offering Swayman $64M. They are offering to pay their star player. Honestly don't know your gripe is with them.Leafs model doesn't work because they spent it all on forwards.
Imagine if the Leafs had Matthews and Nylander, and then spent the other 20 million on a legit No.1 D-man and a legit star No.1 goaltender.
Seems like what fans around here want is an expansion Vegas or Seattle model, where they have no stars just 18 mediocre skaters making roughly the same amount and 2 average goalies.
When you get star players, you keep them. Something this franchise often takes issue with.
He's got dogs to feedYeah, because who the hell could survive on a measly sixty four million dollars.
Augustine would be a solid prospect to add to the org to develop as a future goalie. Detroit has some decent C prospects to. I could see a deal for a 1st, a center prospect, and Augustine being a solid return.
Clearly someone in swaymans camp is leaking stuff to them if this ends up being true.
The statement thing not the Detroit thing
8 x $8 million would make Swayman the third highest paid Bruin amongst all roster players behind only Pastrnak and McAvoy and would make him the fifth highest paid active goaltender in the league. I'm having trouble seeing the disrespect here, how is this the Bruins not valuing him relative to other players on the team and in the league?And why is that? Why can't a goaltender compare his worth to the organization to that of a forward or D-man? Isn't that what it really comes down to? How much they (the organization) value the player, regardless of position?
By your logic as long as Swayman makes more than his back-up he should be happy. Because he simply isn't allowed to compare his value to the Bruins against any of the Bruin's skaters.
Why did Tampa pay Vasilievsky roughly the same amount as Point and Kucherov. More than Hedman. TB should of told him to go kick rocks here is 7 million per for 8 years you are just a goalie and your not as valued.
He's got dogs to feed
I think with his demands being public, the pool of teams that would be calling about him would be limited. That said the Bruins still hold some leverage as they don't have to make a move. They're content to wait it out.We can all disagree about who has the leverage here between swayman and management.
One thing is for sure, the way this is playing out in the media if this results in a trade the bruins will have no leverage.
I think with his demands being public, the pool of teams that would be calling about him would be limited. That said the Bruins still hold some leverage as they don't have to make a move. They're content to wait it out.