Yeah, the "percentage doesn't means shit" theory is an easy concept to throw out there when it isn't your money or your cap to manage. Does a small sample size without a full season as starter assure the Bruins of a long-term performance guarantee? (Jim Carey says hello) This is why I've been saying a 1-year $7M bridge as a full-time starter continues to be the best short-term option, THEN pay him on merit.
Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -VI .. *crickets*
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No, it's got the same fatal flaws they've had for way too long to be a serious cup contender. Why do you like it?
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Swayman started 43 games last year. As the#1 he likely plays 55 games. Are we really concerned that he can't handle 12 extra games?
Their bottom 6 should punish teams, wearing them out, Kastelic, Beecher, and Jones, or Duran, or Tufte are all big fast and defensively responsible., Geekie, if he 's a C, Frederic, and Brazeau are small.
This was the plan for this year, copycat, the STLB and FLA method of wearing teams out. Especially 2nd and 3rd pairing.
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Is it perfect, no, but name one team with a perfect roster. We just need player to fulfil their potential and we'll have enough scoring. Key word "enough".
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Is it possible the Bruins brass wants to keep a model of the 1a goalie getting 45-50 games and the 1b getting 30-40 starts and are keeping Swayman's offer on the lower side because they know they won't be giving him the work load of a true #1? If so, that sort of philosophical difference in salary related deployment might be a hurdle they never get over.
The sample size argument is far better. I can understand some hesitance to pay him because of that. I think he’s worth a risk.
1 year he isn’t gonna go for. There’s no chance. 2, perhaps. And then he’s gone. You’ll never get him back after that.
Swayman should be able to handle 55-60 games, plus PO's, but he hasn't, and his $$ demands are cart before the horse.
Once again, I put this on generational differences. I've stated, working in industry, the young engineers all want to be paid as if they have 10 years experience.
Maybe the world is passing me by, but I was brought up that nothing is handed to you, and you need to prove yourself everyday.
I have belief in Swayman, at 7.5M/yr. When he actually wins a Vezina, 3 rounds and get into the finals, then he can ask for the moon, and I'd gladly give it to him.
Key difference, will be worth it, isn't right now. Shesterkin most likely getting 10M+ is because he is the consensus #1 goalie in the world. Swayman was considered top 7 last year, based on actual award voting, not so-called hockey experts with biased opinions.
We do need to sign Swayman, for a sizeable raise, and give him the ability to score his biggest contract after this next one. As I said before, this is the agent and the NHLPA using him to push the salary boundary for goaltenders. He is most certainly expected to be the next great goalie, but his arrival is based on these next few years. No big business is going to break the bank on expectations.
Certainly, not one that Jacobs owns.
If he is always going to be a negotiations albatross, he's not going to last in Boston anyway.
Right or wrong it is not the way the B's do business.
You see in baseball how most teams steer clear of Boras clients until the 11th hour and they don't get what they asked for unless they are lock, stock, proven, in their prime players.
Once again, I put this on generational differences. I've stated, working in industry, the young engineers all want to be paid as if they have 10 years experience.
Maybe the world is passing me by, but I was brought up that nothing is handed to you, and you need to prove yourself everyday.
I have belief in Swayman, at 7.5M/yr. When he actually wins a Vezina, 3 rounds and get into the finals, then he can ask for the moon, and I'd gladly give it to him.
Key difference, will be worth it, isn't right now. Shesterkin most likely getting 10M+ is because he is the consensus #1 goalie in the world. Swayman was considered top 7 last year, based on actual award voting, not so-called hockey experts with biased opinions.
We do need to sign Swayman, for a sizeable raise, and give him the ability to score his biggest contract after this next one. As I said before, this is the agent and the NHLPA using him to push the salary boundary for goaltenders. He is most certainly expected to be the next great goalie, but his arrival is based on these next few years. No big business is going to break the bank on expectations.
Certainly, not one that Jacobs owns.
If he is always going to be a negotiations albatross, he's not going to last in Boston anyway.
Right or wrong it is not the way the B's do business.
You see in baseball how most teams steer clear of Boras clients until the 11th hour and they don't get what they asked for unless they are lock, stock, proven, in their prime players.
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Not saying 12 games is the separation between success or not, but I've been saying he needs to increase his sample size. If Swayman is confident in his ability, give him a 1 year $7M bridge, let him have his first full season as the official starter and if he sustains, pay him next year.
The B's are obviously not willing to commit term and money without more assurances.
I will add that Korpisalo's solid showing in camp likely isn't doing anything to ramp up Sweeney's urgency to get a deal done.
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At what point can Sweeney state that long term offers are off the table and Swayman needs to take a 1 year deal and either negotiate next summer or find a trade/new team? Opening night?
We have the cap room so on a 1 year deal it shouldn’t be the end of the world to cave and give him more. The longer we wait the more deadline space we bank.
It’s a shame he was such a little B about arbitration since arbitration this year would have resolved everything and he could have focused on hockey and positioning himself for the monster contract were he to win the Vezina and a couple of playoff rounds.
We have the cap room so on a 1 year deal it shouldn’t be the end of the world to cave and give him more. The longer we wait the more deadline space we bank.
It’s a shame he was such a little B about arbitration since arbitration this year would have resolved everything and he could have focused on hockey and positioning himself for the monster contract were he to win the Vezina and a couple of playoff rounds.
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Played well for sure, and that's a good thing. Hey, I own the guy in our SIM league and hope he crushes it this year, but I don't think a preseason game is enough to outweigh a couple hundred regular season NHL games.Mr .Empty Net, stayed square, controlled most rebounds and stopped 40 shot, w/o much support, last night
But if we are going to do this, then Mason Lohrei had the 2nd worst game of any of the defensmen (CF%, FF%, xGF% SCF%). Does that mean Lohrei is going to suck this year?
Small sample sizes are NEVER enough to say a guy is good or bad or will be good or bad. Small sample sizes in exhibition games are even worse. Hopefully he's looking good every day in practice and putting the work in. We'll see how things go from here and the regular season if Swayman isn't back.
I just wish he would get signed as this is a drag. I am sick of it.
I like him and hope he stays with the Bs. That being said 10 mil is too much. He will be under so much pressure at that price and he (IMO) isn't proven yet. Yes, he is good, but he hasn't had to carry a big load of the games. I am not even convinced he was the better net minder between he and Linus.
Come on Sway (and the Bs) get this done...please.
I like him and hope he stays with the Bs. That being said 10 mil is too much. He will be under so much pressure at that price and he (IMO) isn't proven yet. Yes, he is good, but he hasn't had to carry a big load of the games. I am not even convinced he was the better net minder between he and Linus.
Come on Sway (and the Bs) get this done...please.
The return would be better to let him sign an offer sheet. But no other team is going to offer him what he is asking because the compensation is too much and they don't think he is worth it.. plus i think the Bruins would match anything reasonable. And so he sits until they can come to an agreement.
So you are hoping Gibson can find the player he was 6 years ago.
I guess having 2 top 10 picks next year will help you in 2028, but I am not looking for the Bruins to tank this season
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It’s big and fast. I really like the defence. I think they have addressed the scoring from the point issue. I also like that they got a top six centre.
Poitras is one year older. Maybe he takes the reins and is a top six talent this year.
They also have a lot of fringe guys that can be called up incase of injuries.
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only one of the 2 parties has actually said anything publicly about "setting the goalie market" and it's not Sweeney
