Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -VI .. *crickets*

[Dennis Bonvie]

Well considering both players were universally considered replacement players with awful contracts I would assume doing nothing in both cases would have been prudent.

So you would have preferred playing Ian Mitchell or Kevin Shattenkirk instead of Peeke?

And Korpisalo was part of a bigger deal. It wasn't like the Bruins wanted him over cheaper alternatives. They had to take him to move Ullmark and get a first-round pick (and Kastelic).

 

[DKH]

This is getting silly. When Swayman signs, (I have little doubt that he will sign) all this nonsense will quickly fade away.

Yup and I think Swayman is ready

I can’t see him going the Nylander route who’s father not only made millions as a player but is on the staff of Lewis Gross sports agency lol

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

Regardless of what was said beforehand, Sweeney knew it would be a risk if he traded Ullmark without having Swayman signed.

Clearly he was willing to take that risk to get something for Ullmark.

Hey, Swayman: Fark you.

To quote Talking Tina: I’m beginning to not like you.

You’re not a $9M goalie, let alone $10M and you might not even be an $8M. Get over yourself.

Don’t care if we trade him at this point.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Hey, Swayman: Fark you.

To quote Talking Tina: I’m beginning to not like you.

You’re not a $9M goalie, let alone $10M and you might not even be an $8M. Get over yourself.

Don’t care if we trade him at this point.

 

[Dellstrom]

This is getting silly. When Swayman signs, (I have little doubt that he will sign) all this nonsense will quickly fade away.

Same stuff a few years back with Pasta. Granted, Pasta signed much earlier in the process than Sway eventually will, but same chatter was going on here and around the league.

It'll end up something that's a bit rich today, but if he continues to grow as he has every year he's been here, will turn into a beautiful deal as the cap goes up. Just secure having your elite forward, D, and G locked up for 7-8 years.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Hey, Swayman: Fark you.

To quote Talking Tina: I’m beginning to not like you.

You’re not a $9M goalie, let alone $10M and you might not even be an $8M. Get over yourself.

Don’t care if we trade him at this point.

From Swayman\Ullmark to Korpisalo, Kastelic and prospects in 5 months. Do wonders for the room.

 

[Absurdity]

Between 2013-2023, 61.9% of players that filed for arbitration and awarded a contract by an arbitrator or during the arbitration process (team and player negotiate a contract before arbitrator makes a ruling) ended up playing no more than 2 seasons with the team they ended up signing with.


I used "*year* Salary Arbitration Tracker NHL" to find results on Google

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Between 2013-2023, 61.9% of players that filed for arbitration and awarded a contract by an arbitrator or during the arbitration process (team and player negotiate a contract before arbitrator makes a ruling) ended up playing no more than 2 seasons with the team they ended up signing with.


I used "*year* Salary Arbitration Tracker NHL" to find results on Google

Interesting. Of course a good percentage of player who fit this criteria are 2 years or less from UFA when they file for arbitratior

It is interesting data, but would actually need to see the control set etc, to really see if that number is concerning

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Between 2013-2023, 61.9% of players that filed for arbitration and awarded a contract by an arbitrator or during the arbitration process (team and player negotiate a contract before arbitrator makes a ruling) ended up playing no more than 2 seasons with the team they ended up signing with.


I used "*year* Salary Arbitration Tracker NHL" to find results on Google

How does that % change when you look at the contract award value? Like if you looked at the players who signed under or over $3M/yr, is there a difference?

 

[Absurdity]

Interesting. Of course a good percentage of player who fit this criteria are 2 years or less from UFA when they file for arbitratior

It is interesting data, but would actually need to see the control set etc, to really see if that number is concerning

How does that % change when you look at the contract award value? Like if you looked at the players who signed under or over $3M/yr, is there a difference?

Looks like I missed 3 more players ! Added more details below with sources. New percentage (I may have missed some) is 54% (13/24).

At @Bruins4Lifer if we look strictly at those who were awarded more than $3M by an arbitrator or by reaching a deal beforehand (this changed in the CBA in recent years), and ended up playing no more than 2 seasons with the team they signed with, that percentage is 50% (5/10). Again, I may have missed one or two since it's late in the night, early morning, but all of the numbers are below.

2013 - all 21 players who filed reached deals beforehand.
2014 - P.K. Subban signs an 8x9M contract after the arbitration case was heard but before the ruling came down. He was traded to Nashville in 2016.
2015 -
Lance Bouma (Calgary)
2014-15 salary: $775,000
Arbitration date: July 22
Post-arbitration settlement: 3 years, $6.6 million. He was traded during the last year of his contract to Chicago.

Erik Haula (Minnesota)
2014-15 salary: $900,000
Arbitration date: July 31
Post-arbitration settlement: Two years, $2 million. Was a RFA and left exposed in the expansion draft, Vegas claims him.

Craig Smith (Nashville)
2014-15 salary: $2 million
Arbitration date: July 20
Settlement: Five years, $21.25 million. Signs with Boston in 2020

Alex Chiasson (Ottawa)
2014-15 salary: $900,000
Arbitration date: July 23
Arbitration ruling: One year, $1.2 million. Traded to Calgary the year later as a RFA.

Mike Hoffman (Ottawa)
2014-15 salary: $750,000
Arbitration date: July 30
Arbitration ruling: One year, $2 million. Hoffman became a restricted free agent at the end of the 2015-2016 season. On July 27, 2016, he re-signed with the Senators to a four-year, $20.75M deal. Traded to Florida in 2018.

Braden Holtby (Washington)
2014-15 salary: $2 million
Arbitration date: July 23
Post-hearing settlement: 5 years, $30.5 million. Ends up an UFA in 2020 and signs with Vancouver.

Marcus Johansson (Washington)
2014-15 salary: $2.175 million
Arbitration date: July 29
Arbitration ruling: 1 year, $3.75 million. Signs a 3-year $13.75M as a RFA with Washington and then gets traded to New Jersey in 2017.

2016 -
Tyson Barrie (Colorado)
2015-16 salary: $3.2 million
Post-arbitration settlement: The Avalanche signed Barrie to a four-year, $22-million deal. The sides did go through a hearing but reached a longer-term deal instead of waiting on the arbitrator’s ruling. Gets traded to Toronto in 2019 on the last year of his deal.

2017 -
Nate Schmidt (Vegas)
2016-17 salary: $875,000
Arbitration ruling: Two years at $2.25 million. Extends in 2019 for a six-year, $35.8 million extension. Gets traded to Vancouver in 2020.

2018 -
Brett Kulak (Calgary)
2017-18 salary: $650,000
Arbitration award: Following his July 23 hearing, Kulak was awarded a $900,000 salary for 2018-19. Traded to Montreal on October 1st of that year.

Gemel Smith (Dallas)
2017-18 salary: $650,000
Arbitration award: Smith was awarded a one-year, one-way deal worth $720,000. Traded to Boston later that year.

Cody Ceci (Ottawa)
2017-18 salary: $2.8 million
Arbitration award: The arbitrator awarded Ceci a $4.3-million salary for the upcoming season. Traded to Toronto as a RFA the next season.

Jacob Trouba (Winnipeg)
2017-18 salary: $2.812 million
Arbitration award: The arbitrator awarded Trouba a one-year, $5.5 contract on July 22. Traded to the Rangers in 2019 as a RFA.

2019 - Two sources used, here and here
Linus Ullmark (Buffalo)
2018-19 salary: $750,000
Post-arbitration settlement: Sabres and Ullmark went to arbitration on Aug. 2, but agreed to a one-year, $1.325 million contract before the arbitrator made a ruling. He signs with the Bruins as a UFA in 2021.

MacKenzie Weegar (Florida)
2018-19 salary: $900,000
Arbitration award: Weegar was awarded a one-year contract in arbitration on July 25 for 1 year $1.6M. He would get traded to Calgary in the Tkachuk deal in 2022.

Rocco Grimaldi (Nashville)
2018-19 salary: $650,000
Arbitration award: One year, $1 million. Stays with Nashville.

Joel Edmundson (St. Louis)
2018-19 salary: $3,000,000
Arbitration award: One year, $3.1 million. Traded to Carolina right after signing.

Christian Djoos (Washington)
2018-19 salary: $1,300,000
Arbitration award: One-year, $1.25 million. Traded to Anaheim mid-season.

2020 -
Tyler Bertuzzi (Detroit)
2019-20 salary: $2,800,000
Arbitration Status: Arbitrator awards Bertuzzi $3.5M. Bertuzzi spends 2.5 seasons with Detroit before being traded to Boston at the 2022 trade deadline.

2021 - no hearings

2022 -
Yakov Trenin (Nashville)
2021-22 Salary: $1.45M
Arbitration award: 2 years, $1.7MM AAV. Traded to Colorado at the 2023 trade deadline.

2023 -
Jeremy Swayman (Boston)
2022-23 Salary: 3 years, $1,050,000 AAV
Arbitration result: 1 year, $3.475 million

Philipp Kurashev (Chicago)
2022-23 Salary: 1 year, $750,000 AAV
Arbitration result: 2 years, $2.25 million AAV

Ilya Samsonov (Toronto)
Toronto Maple Leafs
2022-23 Salary: 1 year, $1,800,000 AAV
Arbitration result: 1 year, $3.55 million. Toronto let him walk.

 

[Dr Quincy]

The only way they could make a deal for Ullmark was to take Korpisalo back.

Zadorov filled a need. Signing Swayman has nothing to do with signing Zadorov.

So much presupposition there.

1)That they had to trade Ullmark
2) That OTT was the ONLY team they could trade him to.
3) That they had to give in to OTT's demands. Sweeney is ok negotiating and holding the line on Swayman but apparently caved wasily to OTT.

Also "Zadorov filled a need" is hysterical... Who fills a bigger need Zadorov or Swayman?

Finally your contention that signing one has nothing to do with signing another may be correct. But if that's true, that one large signing doesn't affect future signings is true, then people should stop saying that we shouldn't sign Sway to 8m because that means they can't sign others in the future. Either that argument works for Zad's signing too, or it doesn't work for Swayman.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

So you would have preferred playing Ian Mitchell or Kevin Shattenkirk instead of Peeke?

And Korpisalo was part of a bigger deal. It wasn't like the Bruins wanted him over cheaper alternatives. They had to take him to move Ullmark and get a first-round pick (and Kastelic).

No would have acquired Colin Miller for the 3rd or the 4th he went for and would not have traded Ullmark for that package. 26th ov while taking on a terrible contract is not worth dumping my goalie

 

[KillerMillerTime]

No would have acquired Colin Miller for the 3rd or the 4th he went for and would not have traded Ullmark for that package. 26th ov while taking on a terrible contract is not worth dumping my goalie

I said 2 months before the trade that Sweeney will be able to deflect criticism on the trade since people will need to consider what Letourneau becomes. Of course that was based on signing Swayman offseason