Estimated_Prophet
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So Hughes and Gorton are fanboys and the the couch Gm's are the objective one's lol.....ok
Confirmed with Link: Jean-François Houle Parts Ways with Habs/Rocket to Coach at Clarkson University
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So Hughes and Gorton are fanboys and the the couch Gm's are the objective one's lol.....ok
BJCOLLINS
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So Hughes and Gorton are fanboys and the the couch Gm's are the objective one's lol.....ok
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So … it’s mostly based on who knows who?
Like every other management appointee, essentially.
Similar rationale as to why Burrows has a job or has the job he has. What classes did Bouillon do before he got his current job? What coaching experience did MSL have?
Now, some of these appointees end up working out but all too often, there is no meritocracy motivating their hiring and that’s one of the most predictable of NHL practices.
Nepotism.
It can work if those in charge remains focused on the goal, but it can backfire big time too if they're too 'buddy-buddy'. It's a dangerous game.
salbutera
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How is it any different than the real world?
That’s the way life works, people in leadership bring in people they know & trust (their team), all one can ask is the leaders are capable enough to assess competency & proper fit for a role - HuGo obviously feel they’ve build a competent hockey ops team
There’s no way Hughes takes his summer camp “business” he cultivated & grew w his brother and just hand it to some schmuck to destroy profitability - when Houle took over they had confidence he could keep growing it, by doing a good job cultivating & growing prospects, which he did. That’s likely was enough to establish Houle’s credibility
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The big difference is that the NHL operates in a self-contained chamber where there are a select number of candidates for every opportunity but where the track records of those candidates tend to be widely known across NHL orgs.
This type of intel is not as widely known to potential employers in the real world and in major corporate settings there will be a modicum of due diligence, that is all too often set aside when the likes of Chiarelli and other incompetents keep getting opportunities.
Plus, in the real world, there tend to be more stringent and recurring performance reviews whereas lame-ass nepo appointees tend to languish for years before ownership finally wakes up.
salbutera
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And the Wall Street isn’t, or corporate world in general isn’t?
JP Morgan is a Princeton company
Goldman Sachs is a Harvard company
Google is a Stanford, and MIT company
Etc
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Who said anything about Wall Street? The discussion was about the real world. I don’t believe Wall Street represents it. The comment was more about a much larger hiring base that doesn’t necessarily have tentacles that limit hiring decisions the way the NHL’s nepo chamber does.
Anyway, this is going nowhere and getting into a multi-post exchange that will not resolve anything so I’m moving on.
I think you need to differentiate between someone getting the job solely based on the personal relationship.
As opposed to someone getting it because of the element of trust because of the personal relationship.
In the case of Houle, I feel that KH wants someone who will follow the organization's wishes in terms of playstyle and deployment, and prefers someone he knows and trusts not to freelance to pad his personal resume like Boucher and Bouchard did.
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I think they just don't want to change coaching staff in the middle of a rebuild and disrupt it for a year while everyone adjusts.
I remember way back when Pat Burns talked about how he liked Lefebvre as an assistant.
He should never lead anything though.
Estimated_Prophet
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Maurice is a player's coach so I am sure Sylvain is staying in his lane as an assistant and not power tripping
Scintillating10
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You aren’t wrong and I agree about the team D, but because they were so close, a couple more goals probably would have made the difference. It’s not like they missed by 10 points.
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Demidov is a HAB
Vachon23
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Houle went to Clarkson University and it’s a job with better security
I do know the source is really reliable in the Coaching hire in the NCAA
Team_Spirit
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College coaching jobs are prestigious, pay is probably similar and most can last a decade +.
Leon Lucius Black
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Maybe Hughes found someone else and told Houle it might be a good idea for him to go to Clarkson and develop Emmett Croteau.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
How many people would do that mere weeks after signing a 3 year extension?
Vachon23
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Good question but it can happen.
Eric Veilleux was name the HC + GM of the Victoriaville Tigers in 2016 and 2 months latter during the summer, he sign with the San Antonio Rampage
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Demidov is a HAB
Leon Lucius Black
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Clarkson's job just opened up in the last week and it is a place where he played hockey for 4 years and captained their team, then was also an assistant coach there for 7 years so he's spent a lot of his life there.
Likely getting higher pay, more job security and also coaching in a lower pressure environment where he's got a ton of familiarity would be a lot more appealing for him.
Likely getting higher pay, more job security and also coaching in a lower pressure environment where he's got a ton of familiarity would be a lot more appealing for him.
