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Jason Bukala SportsNet 2025 Draft Ranking

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Peasy said:
Nooooooo, Hagens has to be 1st. This isn't allowed. Buncha hot take artists out here.
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All the people that seem to not have Hagens first (still a minority opinion) seem to be these Canadians, with no actual skin in the game towards getting picks right or wrong (NHL teams for instance do), that are pushing hard against Hagens. They can’t accept for one year that they don’t have the best player.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
All the people that seem to not have Hagens first (still a minority opinion) seem to be these Canadians, with no actual skin in the game towards getting picks right or wrong (NHL teams for instance do), that are pushing hard against Hagens. They can’t accept for one year that they don’t have the best player.
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I fully expect Hagens to go in the top 2 but personally Schaefer, given his young age position and how he tilts the ice, is the guy I would take today.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
All the people that seem to not have Hagens first (still a minority opinion) seem to be these Canadians, with no actual skin in the game towards getting picks right or wrong (NHL teams for instance do), that are pushing hard against Hagens. They can’t accept for one year that they don’t have the best player.
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There is a clear group of 4 top players. Any one could go 1. Don’t get your Stars and Stripes panties in a bunch.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
It isn't clear. That's your own opinion.
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So you’re saying a 5’11 winger who has 4 goals on a stacked line is the clear cut head and shoulders #1 overall. Clearly better than a 6’3 winger who some are comparing to Matt Tkachuk, or a D that looks like he’ll be a Roman Josi type (who is almost eligible for 2026), or a two way C who’s leading the OHL in scoring?
The only one with nationality bias is you, look at your post history.
 
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Tkachuk Norris said:
So you’re saying a 5’11 winger who has 4 goals on a stacked line is the clear cut head and shoulders #1 overall. Clearly better than a 6’3 winger who some are comparing to Matt Tkachuk, or a D that looks like he’ll be a Roman Josi type (who is almost eligible for 2026), or a two way C who’s leading the OHL in scoring?
The only one with nationality bias is you, look at your post history.
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I was going to call you biased, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt initially, so I thought better of it. After that framing (where you also inaccurately call Hagens a winger and also inaccurately assert he plays with players who he has only played with off and on all year), I'm sorry, but you are simply biased. Not to say you're the only one with a bias, but it's a little rich for you to accuse me of being singularly biased when you've just demonstrated your bias.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I was going to call you biased, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt initially, so I thought better of it. After that framing (where you also inaccurately call Hagens a winger and also inaccurately assert he plays with players who he has only played with off and on all year), I'm sorry, but you are simply biased. Not to say you're the only one with a bias, but it's a little rich for you to accuse me of being singularly biased when you've just demonstrated your bias.
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I have a clear bias against CHL players in my rankings. I believe college is a far better development path for hockey players and players who succeed there are much more impressive than CHL numbers. I think 100pt CHL players are a dime a dozen, point per game college players are for more impressive. Ive been a lot higher on a lot of the recent college players, especially Fantilli.

Hagens is third on my list right now. I don't see him as a top centre in the NHL in the future, I think it's likely he falls even further.

I'd have a really tough time picking him ahead of someone like McQueen who has a lot less skill but could very well be more effective in the NHL. If Misa addresses some of the concerns I have against him, I'd pick him ahead of Hagens too.

I don't think Hagens is who people want him to be, he's a fair deal less impressive than Fantilli and Celebrini were at the same age.
 
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Is Misa really 6'1 185 now?
I'm also a little surprised the article states that Hagens does not play PK. Wasn't his defensive game supposed to be a strength?
 
Tkachuk Norris said:
So you’re saying a 5’11 winger who has 4 goals on a stacked line is the clear cut head and shoulders #1 overall. Clearly better than a 6’3 winger who some are comparing to Matt Tkachuk, or a D that looks like he’ll be a Roman Josi type (who is almost eligible for 2026), or a two way C who’s leading the OHL in scoring?
The only one with nationality bias is you, look at your post history.
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Took you all of 6 words to be incorrect.

I've got Hagens number one right now but yes, there is obviously an argument to be made for Schaefer, Misa and Martone
 
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Just Linda said:
I have a clear bias against CHL players in my rankings. I believe college is a far better development path for hockey players and players who succeed there are much more impressive than CHL numbers. I think 100pt CHL players are a dime a dozen, point per game college players are for more impressive. Ive been a lot higher on a lot of the recent college players, especially Fantilli.

Hagens is third on my list right now. I don't see him as a top centre in the NHL in the future, I think it's likely he falls even further.

I'd have a really tough time picking him ahead of someone like McQueen who has a lot less skill but could very well be more effective in the NHL. If Misa addresses some of the concerns I have against him, I'd pick him ahead of Hagens too.

I don't think Hagens is who people want him to be, he's a fair deal less impressive than Fantilli and Celebrini were at the same age.
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Then why have him 3rd?
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
All the people that seem to not have Hagens first (still a minority opinion) seem to be these Canadians, with no actual skin in the game towards getting picks right or wrong (NHL teams for instance do), that are pushing hard against Hagens. They can’t accept for one year that they don’t have the best player.
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Lol these opinions always crack me up.

As if these guys based their rankings on who was Canadian, as if we have never had American number 1s?

Conspiracy theory is everywhere.
 
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MichaelFarrell said:
I think people are chronically ranking McQueen and Desnoyers a bit too high. I’m surprised Lakovic is ranked so low. I think he has a lot of NHL upside.
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Schmidt and Cootes ahead of Carter Bear tells me enough that he doesn't watch any WHL hockey at all.

As for McQueen, it just seems like he's on lists just for "reasons". He's been injured for a long time and yet remains in the top 10 on most lists while others have played well.
 
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Bubbles said:
Schmidt and Cootes ahead of Carter Bear tells me enough that he doesn't watch any WHL hockey at all.

As for McQueen, it just seems like he's on lists just for "reasons". He's been injured for a long time and yet remains in the top 10 on most lists while others have played well.
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I don’t see a world where Carter Bear isn’t at the very least a top 7 pick. He could even go higher. It’s really not that unreasonable to think he could go 5.

The McQueen rankings make no sense to me. As you said, he’s been hurt, but in the games he has played I haven’t seen a potential superstar. I think he’ll play, but I’m not sure how effective he will be at the NHL level. There are way more risks with drafting McQueen than people realize.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
All the people that seem to not have Hagens first (still a minority opinion) seem to be these Canadians, with no actual skin in the game towards getting picks right or wrong (NHL teams for instance do), that are pushing hard against Hagens. They can’t accept for one year that they don’t have the best player.
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Get a grip he's just not on the same trajectory as the other big 3. The American bias is unreal.
 
MichaelFarrell said:
I don’t see a world where Carter Bear isn’t at the very least a top 7 pick. He could even go higher. It’s really not that unreasonable to think he could go 5.

The McQueen rankings make no sense to me. As you said, he’s been hurt, but in the games he has played I haven’t seen a potential superstar. I think he’ll play, but I’m not sure how effective he will be at the NHL level. There are way more risks with drafting McQueen than people realize.
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Agreed. He has big injury issues. And I haven't seem him enough this year to make an accurate assessment. But people are just going to see the size, right handed centre, and ignore everything else.
 
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OversKy said:
Get a grip he's just not on the same trajectory as the other big 3. The American bias is unreal.
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I don’t necessarily think that any of those four players has the opportunity to be vastly superior to one or the other. Sure, one of them might wind up being the clear best of the draft, but I don’t know if I see that right now.

I think all for players project to have a similar impact at the NHL but provide a different type of game. Don’t let the stats fool you, Hagens is one of the few players in this draft that has the ability to amplify his line mates and truly drive a line. Is he the clear 1st overall? Absolutely not. But, I can definitely see a team like Chicago or Pittsburgh wanting him.
 
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MichaelFarrell said:
I don’t see a world where Carter Bear isn’t at the very least a top 7 pick. He could even go higher. It’s really not that unreasonable to think he could go 5.

The McQueen rankings make no sense to me. As you said, he’s been hurt, but in the games he has played I haven’t seen a potential superstar. I think he’ll play, but I’m not sure how effective he will be at the NHL level. There are way more risks with drafting McQueen than people realize.
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Hard to say as he lacks the "pedigree" and it's weird because he had a very good season last year as well.

I guess time will tell.
 
Is Martone a center? Bukala has him listed as one, I thought he was a winger.
 
MichaelFarrell said:
I don’t necessarily think that any of those four players has the opportunity to be vastly superior to one or the other. Sure, one of them might wind up being the clear best of the draft, but I don’t know if I see that right now.

I think all for players project to have a similar impact at the NHL but provide a different type of game. Don’t let the stats fool you, Hagens is one of the few players in this draft that has the ability to amplify his line mates and truly drive a line. Is he the clear 1st overall? Absolutely not. But, I can definitely see a team like Chicago or Pittsburgh wanting him.
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I agree with this. I just meant his development has slowed down a lot more than the other three. I would take him fourth and he could easily adjust more to the college game and overtake Misa for me and maybe even Martone. Schaefer just seems like the clear guy however being so young and talented.
 
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Rabid Ranger said:
Then why have him 3rd?
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Martone and Schaeffer

Hagens and Misa

McQueen

Those are the tiers I have right now, I haven't spent any time ordering them. I also haven't watched enough of other guys to rank them, Ryabkin and Frondell included.

I'd probably go Schaeffer, Martone, Hagens, Misa right now but there's a world where McQueen puts it together and goes top 3, he's had the performances to go there just not the consistency.
 
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Bubbles said:
Agreed. He has big injury issues. And I haven't seem him enough this year to make an accurate assessment. But people are just going to see the size, right handed centre, and ignore everything else.
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I've watched him since he was 14 and he has super high skill and hockey IQ. Brandon didn't do him any favors making him a 4th line grinder his 1st year but I take Mcqueen over Lindstrom in a heartbeat who went 4th last year with injury issues also.
 
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