No. Hockey has a larger team aspect and sometimes even the best leaders are left short of a cup. You're being disingenuous about Iginla's leadership.
I never argued leadership but okay ill give Iginla that he;s a better leader. Matthews still plays a much more important position and I dunno what you mean by soft, guy hits and blocks shots as an elite C, what exactly makes him soft? because he doesnt fight? I dont think you want guys with wrist problems that can score 60+ goals a season to drop the gloves.I voted Matthews weeks ago. Going about their position when Matthews actually plays like a soft winger with no heart is hardly meaningful. Iginla was much more of a leader than Matthews is and likely ever will be.
Iginla was out of shape after the lockout year. It was an unprecedented lockout that lasted an entire season, and yeah he played a bitt better once he found his footing at 29, but hes firmly out of his prime at this point. A powerforward is not going to be putting up his best years at the age of 30+. Even if he was productive in post lockout years, this is not him prime, nor does anybody think 07 and 08 Iginla holds a candle to 2000-2004 Iginla.Iginla was 28 for the entirety of the first year after the lockout, and went on to have two of his best year in ‘07 and ‘08 after that.
So you don't watch either play huh? Matthews doesn't play the game anything like a power forward, he isn't physically intimidating along the board battles nor does he out muscle skaters at all like Iginla did. Then you bring up raw numbers comparing a dead puck era player and Matthews getting 2 first place Selke votes. Yikes. Just admit you don't watch them play if you can't say a single nuanced thing about either player.If Matthews wasn't a leaf that poll would be 80%+ Matthews and I'm saying this as a Leaf hater.
Matthews is almost as physical, significantly better defensively, better offensively, almost identical playoff production(28-21-49 in 54gp(with the flames only) vs 23-25-48 in 55gp for Matthews).
You actually used teammate argument to devalue Iginla? Iginla never played on a team with as much support as Matthews continues to have each season. I guess Matthews had the benefit of being surrounded by elite talent these last couple years, otherwise he only gets a couple Richard trophies and he is no different than IginlaIginla had the benefit of Kipper stepping up in 04, otherwise he was a one and done in the playoffs his entire tenure in Calgary, not any different than Matthews.
No, he doesn't. If he was on any other team he would never be in ridiculous polls in the first place. Love the victim complex. You already displayed a fundamental lack of understanding on how Matthews and Iginla play the game. You claim you watch all these games but maybe you should start wearing your glasses and look up from your phone every now and then, not just when the lamp goes off.I guess soon we can add this poll to the collection of losses for Matthews on HFBoard.
Matthews is only ahead by 9. if he was on any other team in the NHL, Matthews wins 80-90% of the votes
He is soft because he has an unwillingness to go to the dirty areas at times, and he gets bumped off the puck much more easily than someone like Iginla who was a tank. The guy is always a leader in turnovers each year, he isn't holding onto the puck like Jagr out there.I never argued leadership but okay ill give Iginla that he;s a better leader. Matthews still plays a much more important position and I dunno what you mean by soft, guy hits and blocks shots as an elite C, what exactly makes him soft? because he doesnt fight? I dont think you want guys with wrist problems that can score 60+ goals a season to drop the gloves.
Playmaking? Being a body that literally wears down defenders over a 7 game series? Not sure why Iginla's Art Ross is being ignored here, but that is an award that people who are good playmakers usually win, and Matthews will never win one. Imagine if Iginla was passing to Tavares or Nylander his whole career?but okay so Iginla is a better leader. thats pretty much all that he trumps Matthews in.
maybe you should do the same if you think Matthews just does nothing out there man speaking of ridiculous why is this thread even a thing? you gotta take off the nostalgia glassesNo, he doesn't. If he was on any other team he would never be in ridiculous polls in the first place. Love the victim complex. You already displayed a fundamental lack of understanding on how Matthews and Iginla play the game. You claim you watch all these games but maybe you should start wearing your glasses and look up from your phone every now and then, not just when the lamp goes off.
Right, but at the same time of their careers:
Iginla - Totals: 626 GP, 250 G, 253 A, 503 PTS - Playoffs: 28 GP, 14 G, 10 A, 24 PTS
Matthews - Totals: 562 GP, 368 G, 281 A, 649 PTS - Playoffs: 55 GP, 23 G, 25 A, 48 PTS
Matthews has scored 118 more goals and 146 more points in 64 less games.
Matthews received Selke votes in 2017 (38th), 2020 (16th), 2021 (27th), 2022 (10th), 2023 (14th) and 2024 (3rd).
Iginla received Selke votes in 2002 (14th) and 2004 (34th). Iginla would also receive votes in 2008 (48th), 2009 (35th) and 2012 (43th).
I know Iggy is more physical and harder to play against, etc. but it's hard to ignore Matthews offensive production is much higher than Iginla's, plus he's reached as high as 3rd in Selke voting over Iginla's peak of 14th.
Iginla barely played in the playoffs throughout his career, was only one run in the playoffs where he lead his team to win series and Kipper was playing amazing. the other 4 times Calgary made the playoffs they lost in the 1st round. and he wasnt a leader in PIT or BOS. that playmaker he only exceeded Matthews highest assist season 3 timesPlaymaking? Being a body that literally wears down defenders over a 7 game series? Not sure why Iginla's Art Ross is being ignored here, but that is an award that people who are good playmakers usually win, and Matthews will never win one. Imagine if Iginla was passing to Tavares or Nylander his whole career?
The two seasons before the lockout he scored 73 points in 81 games and 67 in 75..
Good for 16th and 35th in league scoring.
One monster season followed by good not great seasons and a fluke run.
He was a good player and seems like he mostly a good guy off the ice but he is being given wayyy too much credit here.
Matthews would likely still be ahead even with adjusted stats. he's just simply a more elite player than Iginla and I love Iginla16th in league scoring this year was 90 points. Stop looking at numbers that are not comparable across different eras.
He won it over Sakic, Jagr and Lindros.big whoop lets see him win a Art Ross with McDavid, Kuch or MacKinnon also in the league.
Cause you said so?Matthews would likely still be ahead even with adjusted stats. he's just simply a more elite player than Iginla and I love Iginla
I voted Matthews, but I thought it was only goalscoring. Iginla is obviously the better overall player, and his game translates well to playoff hockey
Matthews for regular season, Iggy for playoffs.
Iginla is a Hart runner up, and won the Pearson equivalent twice, so that one more than Matthews.Matthews is a hart winner. Pearson winner
Iginla is a 2x rocket winner and appeared on Selke ballots throughout his career. I know Matthews got two first place votes this year.3 time rocket winner selke finalist C
But Matthews can't get out of the 2nd round with a solid cast, a healthy Iginla took a non playoff team to a finals and was considered by many to be the best in the world following that run. slight edge to Iginla at least?Neither won a cup.
Oohhh raw stats again. Iginla was in the dead puck era. His Rocket win wouldn't even make top 10 in scoring last season.Matthews has the 6most goals all time by 27 with way less games
Lots of 80s players. Interesting.He is only behind Gretz mario and bossy in terms of pace.
Or the fact that he had a better peak with a near award sweep (Art Ross, Richard, Pearson, and Hart runner up), and a better playoff run.There is 0 argument for iginla other than vague references to intangibles at this point in careers.
Why, so we can continue to pick on injured, post lockout Iggy and not have to watch Matthews 'on pace' numbers decline as he ages? Nah.He’s so far ahead he would have to retire today for iggy to have an argument
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I said likely still ahead. then what are the adjusted stats?He won it over Sakic, Jagr and Lindros.
Cause you said so?
well McDavid lost a Hart and Lindsay to Matthews so can happen. but was Iginla winning the Art Ross on a yearly basis? no? okay so he had a awesome season and won it once. has he won any Rockets, Hart or Lindsay?He won it over Sakic, Jagr and Lindros.
Alright seriously is this rage bait?well McDavid lost a Hart and Lindsay to Matthews so can happen. but was Iginla winning the Art Ross on a yearly basis? no? okay so he had a awesome season and won it once. has he won any Rockets, Hart or Lindsay?
its been a long time man, I honestly cant remember what awards Iggy won. somethings in life are more important than remembering every hockey players awards to the last detail.Alright seriously is this rage bait?