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David Pastrnak tumbles down the lineup in loss
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...lineup-loss/u0RuLKZ3Rm68dakLIct3gP/story.html


David Krejci is back in Bruins’ lineup, front and center
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-and-center/mk5ZrzUbZc0JVAvOlJOJqK/story.html


Canucks halt Bruins’ winning streak at 3
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...ning-streak/qUCa90heJq22XRQeqBFP5O/story.html


Bruins stumble at home again
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2016/01/bruins_stumble_at_home_again


David Krejci returns with no restrictions
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2016/01/david_krejci_returns_with_no_restrictions

Bartkowski back on familiar sheet
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2016/01/bartkowski_back_on_familiar_sheet


Rask: Bruins went back to 'frustrating' play from early on
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/rask-bruins-went-back-frustrating-play-early


Krejci 'a little rusty' in return to Bruins lineup
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/krejci-little-rusty-return-bruins-lineup
 
I love this team however for the first time in a long time I would like to see a big shake up/move with our vets...Chara, Marchand, Krejci, pretty much anyone not named Bergeron.

Something is missing not sure what that is.
 
Another shot at Spooner..tell me Claude doesn't have an agenda. Still think that its Sweeney keeping him up. Spooner if he wasn't dynamite on the PP and put up points he would be sat in favor of Kemp. He does t have a good enough excuse to sit him because of that.

Every player makes mistakes, but they are not reviewed or over analyzed unless it's a younger player. I'm sorry younger players that don't fit his mold
 
TheBigBadB said:
Another shot at Spooner..tell me Claude doesn't have an agenda. Still think that its Sweeney keeping him up. Spooner if he wasn't dynamite on the PP and put up points he would be sat in favor of Kemp. He does t have a good enough excuse to sit him because of that




Every player makes mistakes, but they are not reviewed or over analyzed unless it's a younger player. I'm sorry younger players that don't fit his mold
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Claude is also on my shake up list
 
TheBigBadB said:
Another shot at Spooner..tell me Claude doesn't have an agenda. Still think that its Sweeney keeping him up. Spooner if he wasn't dynamite on the PP and put up points he would be sat in favor of Kemp. He does t have a good enough excuse to sit him because of that.

Every player makes mistakes, but they are not reviewed or over analyzed unless it's a younger player. I'm sorry younger players that don't fit his mold
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I think that was more pointed at Pasta then Spooner, but it seemed a little unnecessary to throw 51 in there unprompted. There is no doubt in my mind that if it were up to Clode, he would ship both Spooner and Koko out of town for a more defensive center of a similar age.
 
“Can he play here? Can he play on our top lines?"

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean? Pastrnak hasn't been very good since coming back. At all. He still has 4 points in 5 games since returning. I don't think there's any question he has the ability to play up in the lineup. Even if that time isn't right now.

I just don't get why he shelters his veterans from criticism and yet speaks so freely about rookies. He went to bat for Kevan Miller, who's the definition of fringe, suggesting that scratching him for playing poor would be the equivilant of scratching Zdeno Chara.... a HOF defenseman.

Claude is one of the best coaches in the game. It's easy to call out the guys who make less money than you and have little clout in the room. Then in the off-season we read stories of unwelcoming veterans and the exclusion of replacement young players...
 
Wait...pointing out that Spooner gets "outmatched at times" is a shot?? He does!!! He has the softest zone starts on the team and insulated beyond belief because it's taken him forever to learn how to be a responsible player in every zone, every night, and this is somehow wrong to point out?

Young players have a learning curve, and like it or not, coaches paid to win have to manage those curves. I'd say Spooner has come a fair way this season and I'd trust that Julien's prodding at times is probably a net positive. Spooner doesn't seem to take issue with him. Let's not be so oversensitive here.
 
GloryDaze4877 said:
I think that was more pointed at Pasta then Spooner, but it seemed a little unnecessary to throw 51 in there unprompted. There is no doubt in my mind that if it were up to Clode, he would ship both Spooner and Koko out of town for a more defensive center of a similar age.
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Or he'd have them figure out how to play more responsibly in all three zones AND contribute offensively, like his other two centers do. The ones who get significantly more ice time and the clear best players on this team.

Seriously, we have two perfect models for players who can bring it offensively and play responsibly everywhere else. Why is it when our coach tries to mold the younger players in that fashion we all assume he wants Chris Kelly's? Is it just to fit a narrative? He has two centers who play the right way, and he asks his younger players to play that way too. What's wrong with that?
 
bp13 said:
Or he'd have them figure out how to play more responsibly in all three zones AND contribute offensively, like his other two centers do. The ones who get significantly more ice time and the clear best players on this team.

Seriously, we have two perfect models for players who can bring it offensively and play responsibly everywhere else. Why is it when our coach tries to mold the younger players in that fashion we all assume he wants Chris Kelly's? Is it just to fit a narrative? He has two centers who play the right way, and he asks his younger players to play that way too. What's wrong with that?
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Nothing is wrong with it, when it's an issue. To my eyes, the defensive effort with Spooner has been there from the start of the season, even if the results weren't. He bulked up in the offseason and is so much more competitive this year on the boards and in the D zone. Pasta was bad. Clode wants to call him out? Great, but why lump Spooner in? Spooner just filled in admirably for DK for the last 10 games, and the first thing you do after moving him back down is take a shot? Completely unnecessary.

You are living in denial if you think Clode doesn't prefer defensively responsible forwards with less offensive upside than F's who can score, but make D mistakes occasionally. Look at Ferraro. Like him as a 4th liner, but the guy gets picked up off waivers and the next thing you know, he's playing Top 6 ahead of guys like Spooner, which is just wrong.
 
GloryDaze4877 said:
Nothing is wrong with it, when it's an issue. To my eyes, the defensive effort with Spooner has been there from the start of the season, even if the results weren't. He bulked up in the offseason and is so much more competitive this year on the boards and in the D zone. Pasta was bad. Clode wants to call him out? Great, but why lump Spooner in? Spooner just filled in admirably for DK for the last 10 games, and the first thing you do after moving him back down is take a shot? Completely unnecessary.

You are living in denial if you think Clode doesn't prefer defensively responsible forwards with less offensive upside than F's who can score, but make D mistakes occasionally. Look at Ferraro. Like him as a 4th liner, but the guy gets picked up off waivers and the next thing you know, he's playing Top 6 ahead of guys like Spooner, which is just wrong.
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Ferraro played top 6 because he's a wing and Spooner is a center. And Ferraro only got those minutes for a brief period of time. When he struggled, he was scratched and lost minutes. And I think you're being wildly oversensitive to CJ's comment about Spooner. He simply noted that Pasta was a giveaway machine last night, and when you pair a giveaway machine with a center who struggles to play three zones, it's not a great match. He took the opportunity to remind Spooner he still has work to do, but he was mostly ripping Pasta. And rightly so.

I think Spooner's minutes, and consistent minutes, from Day 1 this season tell us all we need to know about how the coach now feels about him. If he wants to give him the occasional slap on the wrist because he still has a ways to go in his development and his past suggests he's no quick learner, so be it. He's probably in a better position than us to know which buttons to push on him. Unless you think fans know best how to motivate players?

And let me also add...I agree the defensive "effort" has been there for Spooner this year (and I'd even add the results have been gradually improving too), but this is pro hockey and he's been a pro for how many years now? 4? Effort is now fairly meaningless. Do the job. Brett Connolly has only played 80 more games than Ryan Spooner, and not a fan in this city hasn't anointed him the whipping boy. Why doesn't he get credit for his "effort"?
 
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Ferraro played top 6 because he's a wing and Spooner is a center. And Ferraro only got those minutes for a brief period of time. When he struggled, he was scratched and lost minutes.

And I think you're being wildly oversensitive to CJ's comment about Spooner. He simply noted that Pasta was a giveaway machine last night, and when you pair a giveaway machine with a center who struggles to play three zones, it's not a great match. He took the opportunity to remind Spooner he still has work to do, but he was mostly ripping Pasta. And rightly so.

I think Spooner's minutes, and consistent minutes, from Day 1 this season tell us all we need to know about how the coach now feels about him. If he wants to give him the occasional slap on the wrist because he still has a ways to go in his development and his past suggests he's no quick learner, so be it. He's probably in a better position than us to know which buttons to push on him. Unless you think fans know best how to motivate players?
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Perhaps I am being oversensitive, but it isn't just in regards to Spooner. I dislike the fact that Clode feels the need to "remind" his younger players about issues with their games, but never seems to hold his vets to the same standard. If you are going to do it for one, do it for all. Chara and K Miller have been TO machines this year and I have yet to hear a bad word from Clode.
 
bp13 said:
Ferraro played top 6 because he's a wing and Spooner is a center. And Ferraro only got those minutes for a brief period of time. When he struggled, he was scratched and lost minutes. And I think you're being wildly oversensitive to CJ's comment about Spooner. He simply noted that Pasta was a giveaway machine last night, and when you pair a giveaway machine with a center who struggles to play three zones, it's not a great match. He took the opportunity to remind Spooner he still has work to do, but he was mostly ripping Pasta. And rightly so.

I think Spooner's minutes, and consistent minutes, from Day 1 this season tell us all we need to know about how the coach now feels about him. If he wants to give him the occasional slap on the wrist because he still has a ways to go in his development and his past suggests he's no quick learner, so be it. He's probably in a better position than us to know which buttons to push on him. Unless you think fans know best how to motivate players?

And let me also add...I agree the defensive "effort" has been there for Spooner this year (and I'd even add the results have been gradually improving too), but this is pro hockey and he's been a pro for how many years now? 4? Effort is now fairly meaningless. Do the job. Brett Connolly has only played 80 more games than Ryan Spooner, and not a fan in this city hasn't anointed him the whipping boy. Why doesn't he get credit for his "effort"?
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Should not be playing top 6 for any reason, unless it's in Providence. This guy is the new Claude binky
 
GloryDaze4877 said:
Perhaps I am being oversensitive, but it isn't just in regards to Spooner. I dislike the fact that Clode feels the need to "remind" his younger players about issues with their games, but never seems to hold his vets to the same standard. If you are going to do it for one, do it for all. Chara and K Miller have been TO machines this year and I have yet to hear a bad word from Clode.
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NO coach does. Name a mildly successful NHL coach who calls out veteran players at nearly the same rate as kids. You can't, because they don't.

If you really think he's going to turn into Mike Keenan or Mike Milbury and start calling out veterans in the public the way he does rookies you're crazy. There's a reason those guys don't work anymore. If you watched the 24/7 show you saw a coach very willing to call out his first line in front of the entire locker room, and on camera. That hurts those guys as much or more than some veiled shot in the newspaper. I have no doubt that CJ lets veteran players know when they're off their game. He has to. But the idea he's going to single them out in public at the rate he might a kid is unrealistic.
 
4ORRBRUIN said:
Should not be playing top 6 for any reason, unless it's in Providence. This guy is the new Claude binky
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This based on what, his 12:32 of ice time average here???

He plays 4th line minutes. If that's a "binky", I think we have different definitions.
 
bp13 said:
NO coach does. Name a mildly successful NHL coach who calls out veteran players at nearly the same rate as kids. You can't, because they don't.

If you really think he's going to turn into Mike Keenan or Mike Milbury and start calling out veterans in the public the way he does rookies you're crazy. There's a reason those guys don't work anymore. If you watched the 24/7 show you saw a coach very willing to call out his first line in front of the entire locker room, and on camera. That hurts those guys as much or more than some veiled shot in the newspaper. I have no doubt that CJ lets veteran players know when they're off their game. He has to. But the idea he's going to single them out in public at the rate he might a kid is unrealistic.
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Tortorella.
 
bp13 said:
And that's what you want for a coach?
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No.

Other than sound bites, not a Torts fan. You just asked me to name a coach, you didn't say I had to like him :laugh:

I like Clode as a coach for the most part, but there are a few things he does that send me through the roof. His lack of accountability for certain veteran players is one of them. Don't call them out if you think they are going to cry about it, but sit them the same way you do a younger player when they make a mistake.

When you think about it, isn't it worse when a veteran player makes the same mistake an inexperienced one does? I expect it from the young ones, but the vets should be held to an even higher standard, not a lower one.
 
GloryDaze4877 said:
No.

Other than sound bites, not a Torts fan. You just asked me to name a coach, you didn't say I had to like him :laugh:

I like Clode as a coach for the most part, but there are a few things he does that send me through the roof. His lack of accountability for certain veteran players is one of them. Don't call them out if you think they are going to cry about it, but sit them the same way you do a younger player when they make a mistake.

When you think about it, isn't it worse when a veteran player makes the same mistake an inexperienced one does? I expect it from the young ones, but the vets should be held to an even higher standard, not a lower one.
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I think they are held to an even higher one. But we're not talking about the countless standards their play is held to on a daily basis, we're talking about the rare instances when a coach mentions a player by name negatively in the press. CJ is rarely 'guilty' of this, and when he is, it's been limited to a few specific players, notably Kessel, Seguin, Marchand and Spooner. Now one person could look at the list and say he doesn't like kids, or he doesn't like offense. Another person could say he chooses to aim his barbs at players who have talent levels above their performance and thus he's asking more from his most talented players. And yet another view is that each of those players had blatant holes in their games and/or significant attitude or motivational issues. ALL of them.

So, if you choose to conclude he picks on kids, so be it. I look at the talents and the shortfalls of each of those players at the times they drew criticism and see an obvious link.
 
GloryDaze4877 said:
In 2011, they had the best 4th line in the NHL IMO, and I had no issues with Clode rolling 4 lines.

Now...not so much.
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And do you think the talent level on this team suggests a team that ought to be higher in the standings?

I'll say I certainly don't. So if the coach is getting more from the roster than it warrants, I'm not about to nitpick the ice time strategy if it's off by 1-2 minutes in my eyes.
 
If you want a team to go through the regular season grind and be in position to make a deep run, you need to play your 4th line. It's that simple. Ours ain't that bad. I remember Cam's face on the bench when Kasper benched him, Cam Neely now!!! He was a rotten coach, what in hell did he do for us. Our boy knows what he's doing behind the bench. We're lucky to have him.
 
Kevin Miller was absoutley putrid for a quarter of the season but Claude felt it necessary to let him work through His struggles and didn't scratch him. He showed confidence in him and K Miller has been better.

C Miller, Morrow, Spooner, Pasta fart and he blabs to the media, scratches them, say they aren't ready yet. Seguin, Kessel, Hamilton, how many players have to leave before we realize the coach has some responsibilities for their departures too.

Claude is a great coach, he took players like Marchand, Lucic and developed them well, but something has changed with Claude the last few years where he just seems not to care about developing players into his system rather just scratch them or limit thier minutes.
 
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