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Jamie McBain (Why did DL trade for Sekera?)

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LAKings88

LAKings88

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Dec 4, 2006
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This has bothered me for awhile now. Last season has bothered me honestly.

LA had a good enough team last year but came up short(OTs/Richards /Voynov, etc.)

LA was streaking at the time they traded for Sekera. McBain was playing well during that stretch. We trade for Sekera and the foot seemed to come off the petal. Not all his(Sekera) fault but why didn't DL or Sutter have confidence in McBain? Is Sekera that much better?

This year the Vinny/Schenn trade has been a boon but again, why no confidence in McBain? Was that trade more for Vinny than Schenner? Hell, even Gravel and Forbort have looked decent.

Just sort of a nitpicking topic for me but I don't think the asset management has been incredibly good for the back end. I get Voynov was a huge blow to this team. Greene to a much lesser extent too.

McBain always looks good to me and can move the puck. Do I just really overrate him?
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Darryl Sutter doesn't appear to have a lot of faith in him.
Rarely has his icetime been above 15 minutes per game, often significantly less than that. He averages 12 minutes per game and a whopping 4 seconds per game shorthanded. Not to mention, he's been scratched in favor of a couple of rookies at times and other teams AHL D-Men (Scuderi) is brought in to play ahead of him. That speaks volumes.

Sekera was (supposed to be) a legit top-4 D-Man who could play 22+ minutes per game like Voynov to ease the burden on Doughty. I think DL though Sekera could make the Kings legit contenders last season when the team was heating up. He was wrong.
 
yes you over rate him IMO.

Simple answer is Sekera>>>McBain.

Had Sekera not gotten injured maybe LA sneaks into the playoffs and everything thinks the deal was worth it. I am not pissed about the trade as Dean needed to do something. Only thing I wish is that it had happened earlier in the year and for no injury.
 
YP44 said:
yes you over rate him IMO.

Simple answer is Sekera>>>McBain.

Had Sekera not gotten injured maybe LA sneaks into the playoffs and everything thinks the deal was worth it. I am not pissed about the trade as Dean needed to do something. Only thing I wish is that it had happened earlier in the year and for no injury.
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Exactly how I feel. I don't blame Dean for making this deal at all. The team was playing well and looked primed to be back in the playoffs, but there was still a gaping hole that Voynov left that needed to be filled. McBain isn't the type of player that can be counted on for 20-24 minutes per game like Sekera could at that time.
 
kingsboy11 said:
Exactly how I feel. I don't blame Dean for making this deal at all. The team was playing well and looked primed to be back in the playoffs, but there was still a gaping hole that Voynov left that needed to be filled. McBain isn't the type of player that can be counted on for 20-24 minutes per game like Sekera could at that time.
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yup plus he was the best D-man who could fit into the kings cap available. In otherwords he was more valuable to LA than Yandle as his cap hit was less.
 
It's very simple, McBain is as close to a 'specialist' as we can handle.

He can't be off the bottom pairing, because his d isn't good enough. His skating and positioning is fine, but he gets muscled SO easily, and cannot recover position.

His puck movement is, of course, great, and his offense is wonderful, but he's not enough of a good possession player to override his defensive deficiencies. Not in bigger, harder minutes, anyway.

Sekera was a top-pairing d-man that could eat minutes to replace Voynov; McBain WISHES he could be that guy.

I really like McBain, but it's a totally different role, and this organization loves their defensive/PK d-men (though I think Schenn is pretty much the same guy but defensive role instead of offense). I do hope we find a way to keep him around because he's a hell of a nice guy, a good teammate, and plays his role well (and took a hell of a discount to stick around here).
 
McBain is pretty much an ideal 7th D but like Raccoon Jesus pointed out he's just not solid enough defensively to warrant playing him any more than spartan 3rd pair minutes or some PP time.

I do hope they keep him around as he's been great insurance in his time with us.
 
...because it's next to impossible to predict how well an outside player will come in and adjust to the type of the team plays or wether or not he will sign an extension with the club. It's a gamble.

For every 4-5 deals DL makes there's bound to be 1 that doesn't pan out. I think DL's record speaks for itself, and that's 2 cups.

What GM bats 1000%?
 
Here i go again but i think we made the wrong move last year as well. We needed offense not defense. We were losing a lot of games by one goal and in ot were we couldn't score. I think if we got lucic or someone like him at last years deadline we would have been in the playoffs with ease
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
Here i go again but i think we made the wrong move last year as well. We needed offense not defense. We were losing a lot of games by one goal and in ot were we couldn't score. I think if we got lucic or someone like him at last years deadline we would have been in the playoffs with ease
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I see the thought process, but a lot of those losses were defensive issues. I don't think it was a personnel issue at forward, but just my opinion. Even so, looking back at the forwards who were traded, who would have really made a difference more than Sekera SHOULD have? Vermette? Stempniak? Fleischmann? MAYBE Jagr, but no one saw that coming. Same with Perron. Keep in mind literally every d-man but Drew missed significant time and that also put things into flux.

Filling the Voynov blackhole was, and is, the team's biggest issue. Say what you want about the Sekera trade, I'd do it again and again and just hope for health, it not only picked up the best available d-man at the deadline (yeah yeah Petry is there too), it denied our biggest competition in Chicago the opportunity to get him as well, as they were after him. That could have been huge. No, it didn't pan out, but I STILL applaud DL swinging for the fences trying to save our season and try to do something special.

I don't blame anyone for feeling the other way, but those are just my thoughts, even in hindsight.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I see the thought process, but a lot of those losses were defensive issues. I don't think it was a personnel issue at forward, but just my opinion. Even so, looking back at the forwards who were traded, who would have really made a difference more than Sekera SHOULD have? Vermette? Stempniak? Fleischmann? MAYBE Jagr, but no one saw that coming. Same with Perron. Keep in mind literally every d-man but Drew missed significant time and that also put things into flux.

Filling the Voynov blackhole was, and is, the team's biggest issue. Say what you want about the Sekera trade, I'd do it again and again and just hope for health, it not only picked up the best available d-man at the deadline (yeah yeah Petry is there too), it denied our biggest competition in Chicago the opportunity to get him as well, as they were after him. That could have been huge. No, it didn't pan out, but I STILL applaud DL swinging for the fences trying to save our season and try to do something special.

I don't blame anyone for feeling the other way, but those are just my thoughts, even in hindsight.
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Well i've never been one to follow the crowd's opinion when i have logical thoughts that differ. I don't have the stats in front of me (nor am i going to go check) but it seemed to me that we played a lot of 1-0 2-1 3-2 games. I think we needed to score more then 2 goals a game to be in the playoff hunt. Also yes a lot of our defense had missed time but everyone was getting healthy and i think if they played the last 20 games it would have come together better. Look at the difference Lucic made this season to me it only proves that we needed a winger more then a defenseman. Yes Jagar would have been my target most likely but who know what Dean could have pulled off if he was looking at forward more then defense. (here it come surprising no one) Dwight King is not a top 6 forward and was playing there due to Pearson being out If he moved down to bottom six we would have had more balanced scoring. However im not saying you or anyone that thinks like you is wrong Just that i would have went another way
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
Here i go again but i think we made the wrong move last year as well. We needed offense not defense. We were losing a lot of games by one goal and in ot were we couldn't score. I think if we got lucic or someone like him at last years deadline we would have been in the playoffs with ease
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i do not think you are wrng but zero chance the bruins deal Lucic last year. they too were not expected to miss the playoffs and I think Lucic only became available because of their change in GM which was because they missed...So in other words he was not available.

D was the biggest issue IMO, and getting Drew playing less minutes was going to be a by product of bringing in a top 4.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
Well i've never been one to follow the crowd's opinion when i have logical thoughts that differ. I don't have the stats in front of me (nor am i going to go check) but it seemed to me that we played a lot of 1-0 2-1 3-2 games. I think we needed to score more then 2 goals a game to be in the playoff hunt. Also yes a lot of our defense had missed time but everyone was getting healthy and i think if they played the last 20 games it would have come together better. Look at the difference Lucic made this season to me it only proves that we needed a winger more then a defenseman. Yes Jagar would have been my target most likely but who know what Dean could have pulled off if he was looking at forward more then defense. (here it come surprising no one) Dwight King is not a top 6 forward and was playing there due to Pearson being out If he moved down to bottom six we would have had more balanced scoring. However im not saying you or anyone that thinks like you is wrong Just that i would have went another way
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We scored 220 goals last year, and gave up 205.

This year--we've scored 220 goals with a couple of games to go, and gave up 190.

The ending difference will only be a handful of points (95 pts to no more than 8 more), but far fewer goals against, especially considering the letdown after clinching where we started giving up like 4-5 a game, lol.

I think the 'problem' could have been solved either way--either outscore or stop getting scored on--but that defensive depth was the much greater concern, especially given injuries, and it's apparent tightening up the defense as a whole made an impact.

Jagr would have been a good target especially given his price (a 2nd and a 3rd), but other than that, no 'impact' forwards were really available.

Again not saying I fully disagree, this is just what's informing my opinion on the matter
 
YP44 said:
i do not think you are wrng but zero chance the bruins deal Lucic last year. they too were not expected to miss the playoffs and I think Lucic only became available because of their change in GM which was because they missed...So in other words he was not available.

D was the biggest issue IMO, and getting Drew playing less minutes was going to be a by product of bringing in a top 4.
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i m not saying him but but someone like him With dean who really know what he could have pulled off if he went looking for offence with the same package.

Yes drew was playing alot of mins however i think getting martinez and other healthy things would have come together. We still were one of the best defensive teams in the league More offense would have won games. You can't win if u don't score
 
I honestly think Sekera is overrated, but he is better than McBain; both are a bit soft for defensemen. I do think McBain would be able to handle the bottom six role on some teams. Nothing wrong with having a mobile defender on the bottom six if it means replacing guys like Greene. I like watching him play and he's been great for us in a limited role, which will always be the case on a contending team.

McBain was terrible in Buffalo but every young player would be in a dog **** organization like that. I hope he is able to get a top 6 role if we don't keep him. I'm sure a team with more defensive defensemen would benefit from having someone mobile that doesn't play a lot of minutes. This guy's passing and shooting are definitely up there in terms of skill relative to other NHL players.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
We scored 220 goals last year, and gave up 205.

This year--we've scored 220 goals with a couple of games to go, and gave up 190.

The ending difference will only be a handful of points (95 pts to no more than 8 more), but far fewer goals against, especially considering the letdown after clinching where we started giving up like 4-5 a game, lol.

I think the 'problem' could have been solved either way--either outscore or stop getting scored on--but that defensive depth was the much greater concern, especially given injuries, and it's apparent tightening up the defense as a whole made an impact.

Jagr would have been a good target especially given his price (a 2nd and a 3rd), but other than that, no 'impact' forwards were really available.

Again not saying I fully disagree, this is just what's informing my opinion on the matter
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How do you know what was really available ?All you saying is what actually moved. A player like doan may have been available but no one got what they wanted. Dean has pulled off surprize trades before and who know what he could have got if he went that way.
 
Because you have to take risks in order to win. If you don't have any bad moves then you aren't taking enough risks. Too many can obviously hurt you, but you can't play it too safe. It was worth trying to avoid missing the playoffs. Injuries, off-ice issues, some bad puck luck, and failure to convert overtime and shootout situations into wins lost it for the team, but despite all of that it went right down to the wire. The smallest thing in the right direction could have got us into the playoff picture and Lombardi was trying to tip the scales that way and it didn't work, but he had to try.
 
Trading for Sekera was the right move, not signing him to his demands was an even better move.

Sekera is not worth his salary, and not a top pairing Defender.
 
McBain has been pretty solid, its nice to know one of our dmen can shoot the puck to places other than directly into shinpads
 
theMajor said:
McBain has been pretty solid, its nice to know one of our dmen can shoot the puck to places other than directly into shinpads
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Something I thought I would never be saying is McBain>Schenn lately.

I thought Schenn was going to fit in better to Sutter's system. However guy looks lost at moments on D and hesitates too much offensively.
 
YP44 said:
Something I thought I would never be saying is McBain>Schenn lately.

I thought Schenn was going to fit in better to Sutter's system. However guy looks lost at moments on D and hesitates too much offensively.
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Schenn has his issues, but I still think he's much better than McBain outside of the offensive zone.

McBain just isn't a physical presence nor is he really good enough with his stick like Scuderi to play heavy minutes where he has to defend. I'm flat-out amazed that the McBain/Scuderi pairing didn't give up a goal against vs the Ducks, they looked like they were scrambling every single time the puck got dumped in.

I do like McBain on the PP a lot though, but that's not enough (especially on a Sutter team) to get him more minutes.
 
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