Value of: Jack Johnson in trade
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I doubt the Habs are interested.
They are building a defense first / physical / mobile defense.
Johnson is physical and mobile. Just his defensive game needs work. With the Habs most likely all in this season. I see them moving their 2nd rounders and potentially their first this year to go all in, looking at a high caliber top 4 LHD along with a look at getting a big 3rd line center. Desharnais or Plekanec could be optioned out as well along with picks to try and acquire both.
They are building a defense first / physical / mobile defense.
Johnson is physical and mobile. Just his defensive game needs work. With the Habs most likely all in this season. I see them moving their 2nd rounders and potentially their first this year to go all in, looking at a high caliber top 4 LHD along with a look at getting a big 3rd line center. Desharnais or Plekanec could be optioned out as well along with picks to try and acquire both.
I don't see MTL and CBJ as good trading partners. Johnson has been a horse to start this season, the only way I can see him being moved is if it's either for a top-4 RHD upgrade over Savard, or packaged with picks/prospects/another roster player for a 1C.
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That's what he does. He's actually turned into a fine defensive player, it's his offensive game which has disappeared. Despite the popular image (based on the way he used to play), JJ is actually very careful and not a dumb kid trying to rush every play. He doesn't turn it over much, you don't get around him, his positioning is good and he excels at PK and clearing the netmouth. His main limitations are passing and shooting.
As much as it pains me to admit it, the Jackets need help this year at C, not just the long term 1C fix. Another 2C just for this year would be very welcome (though perhaps not at the cost of Plekanec's 2 year cap hit, eesh).
What exactly could Colorado offer that would interest Winnipeg? The only players that might be of interest are McKinnon or Duchene. It would be very costly for a divisional rival to acquire Trouba. Don't need any smaller pieces (Zadorov, Bigras, Jost, Rantanen, 1st, etc...) especially non C forwards. I suggest looking elsewhere.
That is when some people still thought he was going to become an elite #1 D. According to a lot of Columbus fans he is doing great as a 2nd pairing guy.
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Doubt that Cheveldayoff would trade Trouba to a divisional rival, And i doubt that Colorado has the LHD that Chevy would be seeking in return for Trouba and i'm not sure that he wants to play that far west any ways.
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Id rather have the better defenseman which is Johnson so that would be a no
Why would the Jackets consider downgrading from Johnson to Emelin at the cost of giving up a prospect for a late 2nd round pick? Hard pass.
Viqsi
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This reads to me like the pro-Habs equivalent of, say, MaxPac and McCarron for David Clarkson and a 2nd. That may be a tad extreme, but I don't care. No Emelin, anytime, ever, period, full stop. Never. If we wanted a turnover-prone defenseman who loves to get out of position to Deliver The Big Hit and is otherwise a disaster, we'd have kept Ole-Kristian Tollefsen.
Sure, if you'll acknowledge that that is an entirely subjective reading, not based even remotely on the value of the players. It's not a good deal for the Jackets, but not that far off. JJ is about a 3/4, Emelin a 5, Heatherington at this point isn't quite worth a 2nd rounder.
Emelin isn't worth the skates he uses to play on. JJ has proven to be a workhorse on the 2nd pair. He was just overly used so long as a 1 and relied on to be our only real defender for so long and it gave him a reputation he didn't deserve. When ever he plays reasonable minutes with a partner that can be considered an NHL caliber player he plays great. That's the reason why he always showed up big in the Olympics and other tourneys when he was younger because there was actually some talent there. Now he is surrounded by 3 guys who are or can be future 1D and Savard who right now is a low end 3 but mostly high end 4 right now. Yes he is available but at this point only in a package for a 1C. Heathrington I agree with he is IMO worth a 4th or be an add on as a B prospect to sweeten or even a deal.
I am not saying JJ is worth a 1C not even close but there is no reason to trade him for anything else. Our D is set with him there and adding anyone else messes with our protection. Right now he is our D we leave available. We don't need W we have Saad/Fligs/Jenner/ Atkinson/Hartnell/Calvert and yes Jenner is slumping but that happens sometimes he's a 22 year old 30g scorer lets not panic over 8 games. All of those wings except Calvert could be 1st line on any team (again Jenner is slumping this year but from everything previous this applies.) Goalie wise we have a great pipeline and as long as he stays healthy Bob is Bob and I would take him over 85% of what else is out there.
That leaves C which everyone knows is our weak spot. Wennberg is playing outstanding this year and I would say Karlson is still my ideal perfect 3 or 4 C the way he plays out there. He will not light up the score sheet but he will impress you every shift he has only 1 gear and that is go. Dubi is playing the worst he ever has in his entire career. He will bounce back too im.not worried but he is going to be long term 3C. Wennberg right now is on the verge of showing he can be our 1 but right now he should stay at 2 and keep progressing forward. PLD was drafted to be our future there but still needs development at the position and seems to be working it out right.now in the Q. We have a glaring hole there but right now we are doing well with center by committee and going with the hot hand on any given night but for us to go from a good team with great potential to a great team we need the C.
That being said if MTL want to try and work out a deal of JJ+pick+Atkinson/Prospect for Gally (Our GM loves Americans... even though hes also kinda russian... coming over in trades and in the draft see: Saad, Jones, Werenski)
I'm guessing you guys don't want to trade your C though. Unfortunately he's the one and only player on your team we would have any interest in. Literally just double checked the roster and prospects to make sure and yes unfortunately there is not 1 other player period we would want this year.
I am not saying JJ is worth a 1C not even close but there is no reason to trade him for anything else. Our D is set with him there and adding anyone else messes with our protection. Right now he is our D we leave available. We don't need W we have Saad/Fligs/Jenner/ Atkinson/Hartnell/Calvert and yes Jenner is slumping but that happens sometimes he's a 22 year old 30g scorer lets not panic over 8 games. All of those wings except Calvert could be 1st line on any team (again Jenner is slumping this year but from everything previous this applies.) Goalie wise we have a great pipeline and as long as he stays healthy Bob is Bob and I would take him over 85% of what else is out there.
That leaves C which everyone knows is our weak spot. Wennberg is playing outstanding this year and I would say Karlson is still my ideal perfect 3 or 4 C the way he plays out there. He will not light up the score sheet but he will impress you every shift he has only 1 gear and that is go. Dubi is playing the worst he ever has in his entire career. He will bounce back too im.not worried but he is going to be long term 3C. Wennberg right now is on the verge of showing he can be our 1 but right now he should stay at 2 and keep progressing forward. PLD was drafted to be our future there but still needs development at the position and seems to be working it out right.now in the Q. We have a glaring hole there but right now we are doing well with center by committee and going with the hot hand on any given night but for us to go from a good team with great potential to a great team we need the C.
That being said if MTL want to try and work out a deal of JJ+pick+Atkinson/Prospect for Gally (Our GM loves Americans... even though hes also kinda russian... coming over in trades and in the draft see: Saad, Jones, Werenski)
I'm guessing you guys don't want to trade your C though. Unfortunately he's the one and only player on your team we would have any interest in. Literally just double checked the roster and prospects to make sure and yes unfortunately there is not 1 other player period we would want this year.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
I can agree with all of that except for your characterization of Emelin's value. I think you're being overly generous. I didn't want anything to do with him before he became Habs' fans favorite "value-added" throw-in, and since then I'm even less inclined to give any consideration whatsoever to any deal that so much as mentions his name.
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