Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion Part 2

[justloveleafs]

Imagine the best team by far in the NHL winning the Cup, with Campbell as our main guy?

He will do it. We are the best.. By far. Bore me a bit more with more regular games, but our opponents, to me, don't hold a candle to us.

We are so much the best NHL team this year. Lets go.

I can tell from Jon Coopers face, he knows he should have walked away. Last year.

Hedman is old AND ponderously slow, got nothing. Kurcherov, hip is gone, Point hip gone.

Both teams are meat for us.

Keefe just has to integrate, the D. Play it smart and we win the Cup, NHL teams below us, are old, and worn beaten.

Boston and Tampa have cheated imo and beaten up their core. They aren't all that good.

Flames and Rangers. Rest of these guys have ridden their players into the ground.

Kucherov should be an assistant coach to St. Louis now.

You cannot push athletes this hard, but the NHL does.

Matthews and Marner?

I cannot wait till me massacre everyone, and the social media in Canada and Toronto, takes a cream pie in the FACE.

 

[riffle]

First, surprised to see the guy many think will be the most important part of a potential May run have his thread buried 4 pages deep about a week before the beginning of the playoffs.

Wondering how much extra pressure Jack is going to feel going into these playoffs knowing he doesn't have a contract next season? Yes, he was an all-star this season, but if he has a brutal showing where Tampa sweeps us off the ice, he may never, again, be a full-time starter or ever see the big money it looked like he was going to see earlier this season.

A wise move by Kyle not to extend him? Or, bad move because the contract thing has been in his head and may be a contributing factor to his poor play down the stretch...and in these coming playoffs?

Right now, if Jack had been extended, given his recent play, I wouldn't be pleased we're locked into him for years to come. But, if he had been extended would that have given him mental peace and allowed him to play consistently well all season? We all know how important the mental side of the game is for a goalie and especially one like Jack.

I believe he absolutely must put his best foot forward in Game 1, or we might be in for quite the surprise and not in a good way.

Be interesting to see what the Leafs would do if Jack got shellacked in Game 1. Would they dare roll him out for Game 2, or would they panic and, gulp, throw Mrazek back out there for Game 2? We know Kallgren ain't getting a sniff unless something catastrophic happens.

 

[authentic]

Imagine the best team by far in the NHL winning the Cup, with Campbell as our main guy?

He will do it. We are the best.. By far. Bore me a bit more with more regular games, but our opponents, to me, don't hold a candle to us.

We are so much the best NHL team this year. Lets go.

I can tell from Jon Coopers face, he knows he should have walked away. Last year.

Hedman is old AND ponderously slow, got nothing. Kurcherov, hip is gone, Point hip gone.

Both teams are meat for us.

Keefe just has to integrate, the D. Play it smart and we win the Cup, NHL teams below us, are old, and worn beaten.

Boston and Tampa have cheated imo and beaten up their core. They aren't all that good.

Flames and Rangers. Rest of these guys have ridden their players into the ground.

Kucherov should be an assistant coach to St. Louis now.

You cannot push athletes this hard, but the NHL does.

Matthews and Marner?

I cannot wait till me massacre everyone, and the social media in Canada and Toronto, takes a cream pie in the FACE.

Lol I love this post but once I saw the date you posted it it made a little more sense.

 

[justloveleafs]

Still feel the same way, only problem is.. I know how the world is run. If we c u t the deal, we win. n We are definitely the best team.

 

[fahad203]

First, surprised to see the guy many think will be the most important part of a potential May run have his thread buried 4 pages deep about a week before the beginning of the playoffs.

Wondering how much extra pressure Jack is going to feel going into these playoffs knowing he doesn't have a contract next season? Yes, he was an all-star this season, but if he has a brutal showing where Tampa sweeps us off the ice, he may never, again, be a full-time starter or ever see the big money it looked like he was going to see earlier this season.

A wise move by Kyle not to extend him? Or, bad move because the contract thing has been in his head and may be a contributing factor to his poor play down the stretch...and in these coming playoffs?

Right now, if Jack had been extended, given his recent play, I wouldn't be pleased we're locked into him for years to come. But, if he had been extended would that have given him mental peace and allowed him to play consistently well all season? We all know how important the mental side of the game is for a goalie and especially one like Jack.

I believe he absolutely must put his best foot forward in Game 1, or we might be in for quite the surprise and not in a good way.

Be interesting to see what the Leafs would do if Jack got shellacked in Game 1. Would they dare roll him out for Game 2, or would they panic and, gulp, throw Mrazek back out there for Game 2? We know Kallgren ain't getting a sniff unless something catastrophic happens.

You go with Jack if he gives up 8 in first game. You go with him every game
Simple as that. There is no plan B. We made our bed with Jack.

Contract shouldn't have any impact on his performance. Every goalie faces their contract years and they still perform and most cases perform better than their usual self

 

[makbeer]

First, surprised to see the guy many think will be the most important part of a potential May run have his thread buried 4 pages deep about a week before the beginning of the playoffs.

Wondering how much extra pressure Jack is going to feel going into these playoffs knowing he doesn't have a contract next season? Yes, he was an all-star this season, but if he has a brutal showing where Tampa sweeps us off the ice, he may never, again, be a full-time starter or ever see the big money it looked like he was going to see earlier this season.

A wise move by Kyle not to extend him? Or, bad move because the contract thing has been in his head and may be a contributing factor to his poor play down the stretch...and in these coming playoffs?

Right now, if Jack had been extended, given his recent play, I wouldn't be pleased we're locked into him for years to come. But, if he had been extended would that have given him mental peace and allowed him to play consistently well all season? We all know how important the mental side of the game is for a goalie and especially one like Jack.

I believe he absolutely must put his best foot forward in Game 1, or we might be in for quite the surprise and not in a good way.

Be interesting to see what the Leafs would do if Jack got shellacked in Game 1. Would they dare roll him out for Game 2, or would they panic and, gulp, throw Mrazek back out there for Game 2? We know Kallgren ain't getting a sniff unless something catastrophic happens.

If Keefe had the guts to switch goalies he would have gone to Freddy against MTL in game 5 after Campbell let in 3 weak early goals and at least got him into the series and see if he'd be a viable option in games 6/7 if needed.

But he rode Campbell to 3 straight losses on 3 straight sub-par performances without ever getting a look to see what Freddy would have brought. If he wasn't willing to try Freddy he's definitely not going to try Mrazek.

Barring injury or complete meltdown it's Campbell all the way.

 

[IPS]

If Keefe had the guts to switch goalies he would have gone to Freddy against MTL in game 5 after Campbell let in 3 weak early goals and at least got him into the series and see if he'd be a viable option in games 6/7 if needed.

But he rode Campbell to 3 straight losses on 3 straight sub-par performances without ever getting a look to see what Freddy would have brought. If he wasn't willing to try Freddy he's definitely not going to try Mrazek.

Barring injury or complete meltdown it's Campbell all the way.

We're supposed to pretend that it would have been a logical move to replace your goalie who gave you a 3-1 lead including pitching a shutout in game 4 and replace him with a goalie who had a sub .900 sv% during the season?

Like how do people seriously have a thought process like this

 

[makbeer]

We're supposed to pretend that it would have been a logical move to replace your goalie who gave you a 3-1 lead including pitching a shutout in game 4 and replace him with a goalie who had a sub .900 sv% during the season?

Like how do people seriously have a thought process like this

Campbell was clearly off in that game there was nothing to lose by changing things up. You can go back to Campbell in game 6 and he’ll be a bit more rested.

That was the only opportunity to explore your backup, who has proven to be capable of stealing playoff games, as game 6/7 are not options obviously.

In the end sticking with Campbell was ine of the factors that contributed to the series loss. He was poor over the remaining 3 games.

 

[IPS]

Campbell was clearly off in that game there was nothing to lose by changing things up. You can go back to Campbell in game 6 and he’ll be a bit more rested.

That was the only opportunity to explore your backup, who has proven to be capable of stealing playoff games, as game 6/7 are not options obviously.

In the end sticking with Campbell was ine of the factors that contributed to the series loss. He was poor over the remaining 3 games.

All of this is so easy to say in hindsight.

Campbell performed excellent up until game 6. 4 strong games, 1 weak one. He became your guy during the season, and outperformed Freddy every step of the way. And you wanna take his net away after 1 off game?

This is an exercise of useless hindsight. Leafs nation would have came completely unhinged (Dubas haters included) if they went with Freddy.

 

[makbeer]

All of this is so easy to say in hindsight.

Campbell performed excellent up until game 6. 4 strong games, 1 weak one. He became your guy during the season, and outperformed Freddy every step of the way. And you wanna take his net away after 1 off game?

This is an exercise of useless hindsight. Leafs nation would have came completely unhinged (Dubas haters included) if they went with Freddy.

I never said you go to Freddy for the series. Just that you bring him in after the 3rd straight softy from Campbell to play out the game.

 

[riffle]

Jack has not been good in many games over the last half of the season. Keefe has note that in his media sessions several times. I think the hook might actually come this series. I don't know the he can afford to lose another series and will be throwing out anything not to this time around.

Hoping Jack plays well in Game 1. If he's not good in Game 1, the slide downward could be really awful for him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We're supposed to pretend that it would have been a logical move to replace your goalie who gave you a 3-1 lead including pitching a shutout in game 4 and replace him with a goalie who had a sub .900 sv% during the season?

Like how do people seriously have a thought process like this

how did not switching it up work out again? Oh yeash that's right he didn't get it done because he's not a #1 because when a #1 goalie gets a 3-1 lead he gets it done

 

[29Potvin]

how did not switching it up work out again? Oh yeash that's right he didn't get it done because he's not a #1 because when a #1 goalie gets a 3-1 lead he gets it done

2010 Boston was up on the Flyers 3-0 and lost in 7 guess who the goalie was?

 

[riffle]

2010 Boston was up on the Flyers 3-0 and lost in 7 guess who the goalie was?

What is the full picture on that goalie who lost that series vs. the full picture of the one who lost vs. Montreal?

If one guy has a blip on his record, and it's the other guy's entire record, the evidence isn't very strong when juxtaposing the two.

 

[29Potvin]

What is the full picture on that goalie who lost that series vs. the full picture of the one who lost vs. Montreal?

If one guy has a blip on his record, and it's the other guy's entire record, the evidence isn't very strong when juxtaposing the two.

Fact that both guys had roughly 50-60 games of NHL experience before losing 3-1 series leads. Sure Rask was younger but having that happen did define the goalie he was.
You cant just write a goalie off because of 1 blown series lead after 60 nhl games

 

[riffle]

Fact that both guys had roughly 50-60 games of NHL experience before losing 3-1 series leads. Sure Rask was younger but having that happen did define the goalie he was.
You cant just write a goalie off because of 1 blown series lead after 60 nhl games

I would agree with your last point. The data points are not enough with Jack, but he's also 30 this year. Rask was young and hadn't see half of what Jack has in the way of years of experience around the league.

Jack is also unique in that we know he's very fragile upstairs. Not sure you can have the faith in him if he comes out in Game 1 and gives up 6 or more. I know I wouldn't have any faith in him going forward should that happen and might even be begging for the backup if it wasn't Mrazek or Kjallgren. I just wonder if the org is going to go with him if he comes out and looks brutal in Game 1. I'd say I was curious what Keefe would do, but I don't think he makes any decision on his own.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Bottom line we go with whoever is HOT .. Soup starts and keeps net if he deserves it solely based on performance in upcoming series .. if he wins games he will stay in .. as a coach you can't think of it any other way

 

[29Potvin]

I would agree with your last point. The data points are not enough with Jack, but he's also 30 this year. Rask was young and hadn't see half of what Jack has in the way of years of experience around the league.

Jack is also unique in that we know he's very fragile upstairs. Not sure you can have the faith in him if he comes out in Game 1 and gives up 6 or more. I know I wouldn't have any faith in him going forward should that happen and might even be begging for the backup if it wasn't Mrazek or Kjallgren. I just wonder if the org is going to go with him if he comes out and looks brutal in Game 1. I'd say I was curious what Keefe would do, but I don't think he makes any decision on his own.

Fred and Jack are the same in the fact that they are very fragile upstairs. I was hoping the Leaf's would have taken Holtby/Halak who have been on strong teams and have won in the playoffs.
Jack's issue will always be between the ears

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

2010 Boston was up on the Flyers 3-0 and lost in 7 guess who the goalie was?

I'm assuming you are trying to get me with Rask.

Problem is that won't work out for you for 2 reasons.

#1 he had only played 45 games that season he had not fully established himself as a #1 at that point.

#2 he was the backup for the next 2 seasons after that.

swing and a miss

 

[29Potvin]

I'm assuming you are trying to get me with Rask.

Problem is that won't work out for you for 2 reasons.

#1 he had only played 45 games that season he had not fully established himself as a #1 at that point.

#2 he was the backup for the next 2 seasons after that.

swing and a miss

"Oh yeash that's right he didn't get it done because he's not a #1 because when a #1 goalie gets a 3-1 lead he gets it done" "swing and a miss"

So playing 60 games is establishing yourself but 45 isnt?

Since 2010 8 teams have lost a series after leading 3-0/3-1
Rask,MAFx3,Howard Niemi and Holtby.

Clearly Rask,MAF,Howard Niemi and Holtby were never #1 goalies because as you said "a #1 goalie gets a 3-1"

"swing and a miss"

 

[riffle]

You go with Jack if he gives up 8 in first game. You go with him every game
Simple as that. There is no plan B. We made our bed with Jack.

Contract shouldn't have any impact on his performance. Every goalie faces their contract years and they still perform and most cases perform better than their usual self

I guess if that is what happens and Jack flames out, Kyle's performance in the area of goalie acquisition is squarely under the microscope and severe consequences for his inaction/action should follow.

Didn't feel confident with Jack in net last year due to not knowing how he'd respond mentally after a bad goal. He actually performed better than I expected, all series, until he let in "the worst goal of his career" in his own words, in Game 7. That, alone, has me very concerned about him and couple that with his play over the last few months and it is very hard to convince myself something great is coming in goal.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

"Oh yeash that's right he didn't get it done because he's not a #1 because when a #1 goalie gets a 3-1 lead he gets it done" "swing and a miss"

So playing 60 games is establishing yourself but 45 isnt?

Since 2010 8 teams have lost a series after leading 3-0/3-1
Rask,MAFx3,Howard Niemi and Holtby.

Clearly Rask,MAF,Howard Niemi and Holtby were never #1 goalies because as you said "a #1 goalie gets a 3-1"

"swing and a miss"

Even if 45 games was enough to establish yourself as a #1 which it isn't.

Spending the next 2 years as the backup which he did, probably because he blew that lead would completely wipe that away.

 

[29Potvin]

Even if 45 games was enough to establish yourself as a #1 which it isn't.

Spending the next 2 years as the backup which he did, probably because he blew that lead would completely wipe that away.

Tim Thomas was hurt/required surgery and is why Rask played more in 2010. Thomas was the starter/Cup winner the next year. Thomas getting the net back had nothing to do with Rask blowing the series lead.
And I see that you are completely ignoring the fact that 4 other NHL STARTING GOALIES blew 3-1 series leads including MAF x3 the guy most people wanted the Leaf's to acquire at the tdl

 

[zeke]

Who are the "established #1s" in the league and how may of them have better playoffs numbers than jack?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]