Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion Part 2

[ToneDog]

He will start game 1 for us .. i doubt his keeps da net .. one of kids will take over

In which case, put a fork in them.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Campbell wasn't good last night, but came in cold. I can't ever give a thumbs up on an .850'ish save percentage regardless of how bad our defense was and it was bad.

I can't agree with that at all. Sometimes a goalie would have to play godlike to put up even .800 over a given stretch of play.

In which case, put a fork in them.

Yup. pretty much.

 

[makbeer]

I can't agree with that all. Sometimes a goalie would have to play godlike to put up even .800 over a given stretch of play.

Yup. pretty much.

Campbell isn't really to blame. But Campbell wasn't able to do what Spencer Knight did, which was stop the momentum with key saves. To his credit, he did make an unreal save to get us the loser point.

The Knight save on Bunting I believe was insane.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Campbell isn't really to blame. But Campbell wasn't able to do what Spencer Knight did, which was stop the momentum with key saves. To his credit, he did make an unreal save to get us the loser point.

The Knight save on Bunting I believe was insane.

I was just making a general observation so nothing to do with Campbell. If I was to comment on Campbell, he came in cold and wasn't awful so just going to ignore that game, see how he does in the next one. But he's all we got at this point so just have to hope he does well.

 

[Apotheosis]

This is the first time I've ever said this but we should've kept Freddie. And I was a Freddie 5 hater....

Yeah honestly, I am really curious to see how Freddie would have done with this current D core. Giordano, Lilly and Boosh are a huge upgrade over what we had when he was here. As well as Brodie.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I didn’t catch the game. Was Kallgren pullled or injured. I thought I saw a tweet he took a shot to the mask and left?

 

[1specter]

If there's any hope, the Hawks did win in 2010 with Niemi having a .912 on the season and only .910 in the playoffs. Their team was very similarly deep up front and on D. They did play a more heavy game though, but they practically scored at will.

 

[Zybalto]

Yeah honestly, I am really curious to see how Freddie would have done with this current D core. Giordano, Lilly and Boosh are a huge upgrade over what we had when he was here. As well as Brodie.

Freddie would have done great with our D core last season but this years Freddie bears no resemblence to the 3rd stringer last year.

Last years Freddie would have been demoted to backup on the Canes early in the season.

Its amazing what being healthy and mentally checked in can do for ones game.

 

[IPS]

Freddie would have done great with our D core last season but this years Freddie bears no resemblence to the 3rd stringer last year.

Last years Freddie would have been demoted to backup on the Canes early in the season.

Its amazing what being healthy and mentally checked in can do for ones game.

You are very correct in the fact that Freddy is healthy and mentally checked in but it seems that Carolina team is a spot for goalies to thrive, be it Mrazek or Freddy or even a notably lower end young goalie like Nedeljkovic.

Carolina may not be a possession god like Toronto but they are extremely proficient with their straight up man to man defense.

 

[Zybalto]

You are very correct in the fact that Freddy is healthy and mentally checked in but it seems that Carolina team is a spot for goalies to thrive, be it Mrazek or Freddy or even a notably lower end young goalie like Nedeljkovic.

Carolina may not be a possession god like Toronto but they are extremely proficient with their straight up man to man defense.

Not saying Carolina isnt a decent D team but I think its just optics.

Ned got thrown to the wolves on putrid Detroit Team and Mrazek got badly hurt his very first game and just when it looked like he was finally settling down got hurt again.

They have also had a bunch of goalies (like Darling) who had worse stats playing for them as opposed to other teams as well in front of Slavin/Pesce and company.

Their gamble on Freddy staying healthy and turning back the clock to 2018-2019 has paid off so far but, like us, the real test will come in the playoffs where Freddy has choked in big games.

 

[Zybalto]

Gotta remember Campbell had the 2nd best save % in the NHL for almost 2 years with the Leafs.

With his bad stretch looking like it had a lot to do with playing through injury(with a dash of fatigue), Im feeling a little bit better.

 

[Zybalto]

For all the talk about Shesterkin cooling off, Andersen hasnt been all that great himself since the start of March.

Shesterkin:
7-4
.909 save%

Andersen:
4-5
.909 save%

Backup Raanta:
4-1
.925 save%

 

[ToneDog]

For all the talk about Shesterkin cooling off, Andersen hasnt been all that great himself since the start of March.

Shesterkin:
7-4
.909 save%

Andersen:
4-5
.909 save%

Backup Raanta:
4-1
.925 save%

Freddy #1 48 GP .926 SV% 2.07 GAV
Soup #22 43 GP .913 SV% 2.71 GAV

Nobody cares if they can't get it done in the playoffs.

 

[Zybalto]

Freddy #1 48 GP .926 SV% 2.07 GAV
Soup #22 43 GP .913 SV% 2.71 GAV

Nobody cares if they can't get it done in the playoffs.

Yup.

With all the top goalies fading down the stretch, everyone has to be a bit jittery too.

 

[ToneDog]

Yup.

With all the top goalies fading down the stretch, everyone has to be a bit jittery too.

We chased Vasy and Bob in back to back games. I expect things will settle down in the playoffs.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

yes because it's not a one off this has been happening for months.

If this were a one off I wouldn't say a damn thing but it's not, they have had the worst goaltending in the league for months.

They just so happen to be incredibly offensively so it's not costing them like it should be.

And yet I have no doubt they'd have 10 more wins with league average goaltending which again they haven't gotten since about December

I would agree with you if he actually played poorly like he was before the injury. The issue is that you only look at the scoreboard and sv% to analyze a goalies performance. You ignore context and how the team is playing in front of the goalie almost every time you make a post about the goaltending. Even though myself and others will dissect the goals scored.

Like I said he came in late game cold while The Panthers had all the momentum and were putting a ton of pressure on us and finish the night with 49 shots. He should have had the 1st imo. The tic tag toe goal is impossible for any goalie to stop. The rebound goal maybe could have been handled better but it's pretty much always the defense's job to clear the crease. The OT goal was a 2on 1 one timer that he gets across on but it gets under his pad on the desperation save.

He did not play poorly and im not sure why you aren't criticizing the team defense for giving up 49 shots. Same as when Campbell's slump had first started, Muzzin, Holl and even Sandin and Lilly at the time were making terrible defensive plays in front of him.

Even the other night, he played amazing against Tampa other than the opening couple minutes he looked a little over aggressive but he looked sharp, was staying with the puck, nothing squeaking through, made several huge key saves and neither goal was his fault but you said he was average. You won't even give him proper credit when it's due. All I'm saying is use some critical thinking to assess his play rather than just automatically basing it off the numbers.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I would agree with you if he actually played poorly like he was before the injury. The issue is that you only look at the scoreboard and sv% to analyze a goalies performance. You ignore context and how the team is playing in front of the goalie almost every time you make a post about the goaltending. Even though myself and others will dissect the goals scored.

Like I said he came in late game cold while The Panthers had all the momentum and were putting a ton of pressure on us and finish the night with 49 shots. He should have had the 1st imo. The tic tag toe goal is impossible for any goalie to stop. The rebound goal maybe could have been handled better but it's pretty much always the defense's job to clear the crease. The OT goal was a 2on 1 one timer that he gets across on but it gets under his pad on the desperation save.

He did not play poorly and im not sure why you aren't criticizing the team defense for giving up 49 shots. Same as when Campbell's slump had first started, Muzzin, Holl and even Sandin and Lilly at the time were making terrible defensive plays in front of him.

Even the other night, he played amazing against Tampa other than the opening couple minutes he looked a little over aggressive but he looked sharp, was staying with the puck, nothing squeaking through, made several huge key saves and neither goal was his fault but you said he was average. You won't even give him proper credit when it's due. All I'm saying is use some critical thinking to assess his play rather than just automatically basing it off the numbers.

I said he was average against Philly not Tampa and I said that because 28 saves on 31 shots is 906 save% and that's average

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I said he was average against Philly not Tampa and I said that because 28 saves on 31 shots is 906 save% and that's average

My mistake. I just went back and watched the highlights from that game.

1st goal- Hayes is left all alone at the side of the net for a onetimer

2nd goal- Provorov left alone right below the circles for the one timer

3rd goal- Deflection from like 6 ft out

Which goal would you say is on Campbell?

He has been pretty damn good for the most part since coming back.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Last night I think he gets a pass under the circumstances. The 2 games prior to that, he was solid.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

My mistake. I just went back and watched the highlights from that game.

1st goal- Hayes is left all alone at the side of the net for a onetimer

2nd goal- Provorov left alone right below the circles for the one timer

3rd goal- Deflection from like 6 ft out

Which goal would you say is on Campbell?

He has been pretty damn good for the most part since coming back.

I don't have an issue with that game because they got average goaltending that night, and with the way this team can score that's going to be good enough most nights, but they didn't get even get that last night and wouldn't have needed it.

You said yourself he should had the 1st goal he lef in, and I think we can both agree that Kalgren cannot allow that Gudas goal, that can't go in

so that's at least 2 of the 7 goals that would be considered bad, or soft.

7-2 = 5

those 2 goals get stopped like they should have been it's 6-5 Leafs and we are having a different conversation

5 goals against is still bad but literally 1 extra save wins them this game

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

Jack was really good against Tampa.

He made some good saves last night but struggled with them putting pucks in tight on him and crashing the net. He did come in cold on a back to back after a long layoff so that's not surprising. It felt to me like we could have used Boosh plowing the road there a bit in front of the net.

thats why boosh needs to play.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I didn’t catch the game. Was Kallgren pullled or injured. I thought I saw a tweet he took a shot to the mask and left?

Hard to see but it almost looked like it hit him right below the mask in the uncovered area around the collarbone/neck. I don’t buy the narrative he pulled himself at all. And to the people saying he was back sitting on the bench so he was fine, well he didn’t come back to the bench until 5 mins into the third.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

We can’t waste this team’s prime years on shoddy goaltending. Either Campbell needs to figure it out, and quick, or we go into next year with two new goalies.

Woll and ?
We don’t have cap space and no goalies will be available.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Andersen is in line to post the best numbers of his career. He's been a model of consistency all campaign, allowing more than three goals just six times and never more than four. Andersen is also neck and neck with Igor Shesterkin in pretty much every statistical category. Depending on how things play out over the season's final weeks, Andersen may be the only one with a compelling enough case to dethrone Shesterkin, who once looked like the clear runaway winner.

Wow

 

[saltming]

Andersen is in line to post the best numbers of his career. He's been a model of consistency all campaign, allowing more than three goals just six times and never more than four. Andersen is also neck and neck with Igor Shesterkin in pretty much every statistical category. Depending on how things play out over the season's final weeks, Andersen may be the only one with a compelling enough case to dethrone Shesterkin, who once looked like the clear runaway winner.

Wow

Big mistake the way we treated him and discarded him