Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion Part 2

[HamiltonNHL]

MAF

Hard pass

 

[HamiltonNHL]

sort all the goalies by SV% at the end of the year

So we should have kept Freddie ?

 

[Le Cobra]

So we should have kept Freddie ?

no even Mrazek and Reimer's numbers with CAR were career bests. so CAR is an overall superior team to us defensively

 

[Gary Nylund]

So we should have kept Freddie ?

That makes no sense, Freddie's SV% was terrible last year so why would we have kept him? This year though he's playing great so if we could swap Campbell or Mrazek for Freddie today then of course we should do it. Hell trading them both for Freddie today looks like it would be a good move for us but obviously CAR would just laugh at that proposal.

 

[zacholistic]

That makes no sense, Freddie's SV% was terrible last year so why would we have kept him? This year though he's playing great so if we could swap Campbell or Mrazek for Freddie today then of course we should do it. Hell trading them both for Freddie today looks like it would be a good move for us but obviously CAR would just laugh at that proposal.

Freddy was dealing with a long time knee injury for most of last season... management played him way too much and never let him heal completely (this is pretty well know in the danish hockey chat)

 

[Gary Nylund]

Freddy was dealing with a long time knee injury for most of last season... management played him way too much and never let him heal completely (this is pretty well know in the danish hockey chat)

I would be wary about accepting anything in hockey chat as fact.

 

[crowsnestmcgee]

We're gonna put our faith in him for playoffs

 

[ToneDog]

I would be wary about accepting anything in hockey chat as fact.

In a long interview on the Fan590 (I believe it was before the start of the season) Freddy pretty much said he was playing with an injury and Leafs knew about it. Don't recall him saying Leafs played him too much.

At the time said he was hurt or had checked out. The results on the ice this year pretty much back up Freddy's claim IMO. Now we wait to see if Freddy can win a game 7.

 

[Gary Nylund]

In a long interview on the Fan590 (I believe it was before the start of the season) Freddy pretty much said he was playing with an injury and Leafs knew about it. Don't recall him saying Leafs played him too much.

At the time said he was hurt or had checked out. The results on the ice this year pretty much back up Freddy's claim IMO. Now we wait to see if Freddy can win a game 7.

That's interesting and hard to understand as it seems really dumb to play an injured player as opposed to letting him heal. If this is true then unless I'm missing something, whoever is responsible for this should be fired.

 

[ToneDog]

That's interesting and hard to understand as it seems really dumb to play an injured player as opposed to letting him heal. If this is true then unless I'm missing something, whoever is responsible for this should be fired.

IIRC Soup was also hurt around the same time and Hutch was next in line. Perhaps they thought he would not hurt himself further and Andy took one for the team until Soup could return. Something definitely smells in Denmark.

 

[Gary Nylund]

IIRC Soup was also hurt around the same time and Hutch was next in line. Perhaps they thought he would not hurt himself further and Andy took one for the team until Soup could return. Something definitely smells in Denmark.

And if that's what they thought, they should be fired. If they let him heal, then we have him available for the playoffs, maybe even win a round or two or who knows, maybe even more than that. And then I assume we would have resigned him and we'd have him today which seems like a good thing considering how FUBAR our goalie situation is today and how great Andy is playing. I mean seriously, if this is really what happened then the cascading effect has set this franchise back years and maybe decades, if Matthews decides to go elsewhere.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Maybe Leafs management is being smart for a change.

We're pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot, and we aren't going to win the division.

Play out the string, and hope Campbell returns to his early season form with a couple of months rest.

 

[HellasLEAF]

I think this highlights just how well Campbell was playing during that stretch.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Maybe Leafs management is being smart.

We're pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot, and we aren't going to win the division.

This is situation as I see it.

That being said, I’ll be quite pissed to not see 2 minimum Woll or Kalligren games while Campbell is resting

 

[mapleleaf979]

Campbell can get his game back, for now Kallgren is doing a great job.

I wonder how many guys in the Leafs dressing room are somewhat tired of Campbell blaming himself the way he does. This will wear thin quickly because it becomes attention seeking and team-mates are feeling forced to babysit his emotions post game. As an observer, in his first few games losing, it was admirable but routinely doing it is anything but.

 

[fahad203]

Campbell can get his game back, for now Kallgren is doing a great job.

I wonder how many guys in the Leafs dressing room are somewhat tired of Campbell blaming himself the way he does. This will wear thin quickly because it becomes attention seeking and team-mates are feeling forced to babysit his emotions post game. As an observer, in his first few games losing, it was admirable but routinely doing it is anything but.

One thing great goalies don't do is have self doubt.
Patrick never doubted his abilities and that he can come back next game
Same with Hasek or Tim Thomas. They dont' allow self doubt to kick in

Where Campbell, it seems he has nothing but self doubt. He says the right stuff like I'll come back next game. But there are no convictions to his statements. I wonder if really believes in what he says.

I remember when Marty Brodeaur, well spoken dude as it anyone but he always stood up for himself, he always had that, yeah I messed up, but I'll come back. You can sense that he will, you know he wasn't bsing or saying for the sake of saying

 

[mapleleaf979]

One thing great goalies don't do is have self doubt.
Patrick never doubted his abilities and that he can come back next game
Same with Hasek or Tim Thomas. They dont' allow self doubt to kick in

Where Campbell, it seems he has nothing but self doubt. He says the right stuff like I'll come back next game. But there are no convictions to his statements. I wonder if really believes in what he says.

I remember when Marty Brodeaur, well spoken dude as it anyone but he always stood up for himself, he always had that, yeah I messed up, but I'll come back. You can sense that he will, you know he wasn't bsing or saying for the sake of saying

Campbell gives off a really down feeling that he shouldnt be sharing with media or team mates routinely. His team mates will know he cares, dont whine about it type of thing after every loss. Like u say u gotta move on from a loss, imagine the squad playing music trying to get over it , stay positive and Jack is sulking and marinating in it. Its a fine line though, but I feel Campbell crosses it with the amount of blaming he does on himself and that burden to pick him up falls on 18 guys in the room who played when they have other things to think about,

 

[Shooter2x]

One thing great goalies don't do is have self doubt.

Reminds me of Fred. All he said after last years mess was "I know I'm a great goalie. I know what I'm worth" and then went and put up vezina numbers with Carolina.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Reminds me of Fred. All he said after last years mess was "I know I'm a great goalie. I know what I'm worth" and then went and put up vezina numbers with Carolina.

Didnt u see that goal last game short side? That reminded me of all the soft goals Anderson let in, the bad angle goals. Anderson choked in the playoffs too many times, pressure got to him. Also Anderson looked depressed post game and on the verge of snapping but he never let his emotions out. No doubt Anderson had lots of rage inside in his interviews....not sure if others sensed this.

 

[Raym11]

i think campbell can atleast be average for the playoffs, but god i never want to see Mrazek play again.

Mrazek is somehow worse than Halak is this year, and Halak isn't even trying to win anymore.

 

[zeke]

P s. Jack is good

 

[Frostitute]

One thing great goalies don't do is have self doubt.
Patrick never doubted his abilities and that he can come back next game
Same with Hasek or Tim Thomas. They dont' allow self doubt to kick in

Where Campbell, it seems he has nothing but self doubt. He says the right stuff like I'll come back next game. But there are no convictions to his statements. I wonder if really believes in what he says.

I remember when Marty Brodeaur, well spoken dude as it anyone but he always stood up for himself, he always had that, yeah I messed up, but I'll come back. You can sense that he will, you know he wasn't bsing or saying for the sake of saying

No offense here but....How the F would you know? You aren't some legendary HOF goalie and you don't have the ability to be in the minds of those who are/were.

I admit he has been more than off his game and definitely struggles with self confidence but what goes on in a persons mind is theirs and theirs alone to know. Anything else is purely speculation.

 

[Shooter2x]

Didnt u see that goal last game short side? That reminded me of all the soft goals Anderson let in, the bad angle goals. Anderson choked in the playoffs too many times, pressure got to him. Also Anderson looked depressed post game and on the verge of snapping but he never let his emotions out. No doubt Anderson had lots of rage inside in his interviews....not sure if others sensed this.

Not really trying to endorse Fred, it's just a nice recent example of that posters topic. Fred shrugged it off in 1 second and said he's a no.1 and nobody else can change his mind pretty much. We'd all love it if Campbell just said he's good and went back to being good. So far he's just breaking a promise.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Not really trying to endorse Fred, it's just a nice recent example of that posters topic. Fred shrugged it off in 1 second and said he's a no.1 and nobody else can change his mind pretty much. We'd all love it if Campbell just said he's good and went back to being good. So far he's just breaking a promise.

I think this more show Fred injuries were real and not really about self doubting. It is easy to be confident when you know what your problem is. I keep up with the injury all last year. It is clear the injury was not faked and he had hard time healing.

Campbell has no idea where to start, either mechanics or because he nervous during games or both. He can fix one but it doesn't guarantee the other will fix. Problem with being nervous, is if he fix it now, playoff even more harsh, so it might come back. Maybe round 1 and round 2 go nice, then round 3 sudden panic of being 4 wins away from cup and he leaves us again being nervous every game. Fred lack of confidence in playoff can still help you beat good team, Campbell lack of confidence seem like it will be quick 4 or 5 game series loss.

Like Fleury in interview after beat wings. Interview asked him what was going through head on final play. And he said "I was like oh shit". It was humor, but that might be Campbell during entire 60 minute. Every time opponent come near all he thinking is "oh shit".






Campbell right now is goalie who will have this same response for routine saves all 60 minutes.

 

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Jack not being able to play for a long stretch since Mrazek's return was a factor. it's just odd that they waived Mrazek in the end now they're praying Jack finds his game with what's left of the season.