If we’re doing a Mrazek dump for an under performing, higher cap hit but better goalie then I’d look for a deal around Mrazek and Grubauer. And no I don’t want Grubauer for anything of value, I’m talking about in the scenario we get to dump Mrázek.
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ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Doubt the Bruins offer the Leafs a lifeline unless they want to get out from under that $5m cap hit so they can pay Swayman. Even if they were open to a trade, doubt they'd take Mrazek back without a huge sweetener.
ToneDog
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If you are Seattle why would you move Grubauer for Mrazek ?? If I am Francis, I'd be happy to take Mrazek because we are not winning anything in the next two years but I want something big in return.
Divine
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Can we get a live cam on Campbell's agent every game?
Made me sick when Dreger was talking about how Campbell's asking price going "way, way up" since the start of the season, as if the Leafs weren't playing great D and he had to make hard saves. He said the number his agent was asking in the off-season has increased dramatically since the start of the season.
Campbell literally tanked since that comment. I now want to see his agent say his asking price has gone "way, way down" since the offseason.
Made me sick when Dreger was talking about how Campbell's asking price going "way, way up" since the start of the season, as if the Leafs weren't playing great D and he had to make hard saves. He said the number his agent was asking in the off-season has increased dramatically since the start of the season.
Campbell literally tanked since that comment. I now want to see his agent say his asking price has gone "way, way down" since the offseason.
Mess
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In Campbell's last 14 starts he has let in 5 or more goals 7 times, that does not include the games he was pulled before he reached 5.
Wendelstache
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I'd love to eat crow in this case as I dont' get much satisfaction in being right.
I only care about a long playoff run but if Jack continues to play no better than the likes of Garrett Sparks.. I say f*** him for burning another year of Matthews.
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CabanaBoy5
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I wish it wasn’t so but Campbell will never be a No. 1 that will take you anywhere. Simply put, he’s a head case. He gets into his head too much. He says he’s going to be less harsh on himself but it’s in his DNA. He’ll always revert to being hard on himself. Cut ties with him asap. Mrazek and his unorthodox (poor) style isn’t the answer.
Unquestionably our defence has been poor but it can be good enough with above average to average goaltending. The trade must be made for a No.1 goalie if at all possible.
Unquestionably our defence has been poor but it can be good enough with above average to average goaltending. The trade must be made for a No.1 goalie if at all possible.
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Dubas has to work some magic. I'm praying his comment that he's not worried about Campbell's recent performance was just a smoke screen.
I really want some deep playoff runs.
I also don't get the loyalty to Campbell. The team completely screwed Freddie, so why not ditch Campbell as quickly. He's done nothing to warrent this loyalty.
His game has not improved and I've commented on the holes in his game which are now being exposed. Sadly I think the mental part is not the big issue here
I really want some deep playoff runs.
I also don't get the loyalty to Campbell. The team completely screwed Freddie, so why not ditch Campbell as quickly. He's done nothing to warrent this loyalty.
His game has not improved and I've commented on the holes in his game which are now being exposed. Sadly I think the mental part is not the big issue here
I want to love Jack and I want him to get out of slump, but it’s starting to look less and less likely. Something needs to change. Whether that’s finding him a legitimate competitor in the crease,finding a straight forward upgrade, or hiring a new goalie coach, I don’t know, but just waiting for him to get better seems to be the definition of insanity.
That said, other than the first goal last night he looked fairly sharp on cleaner shots. Some of those goals were awkward bounces that I doubt most goalies would have had.
That said, other than the first goal last night he looked fairly sharp on cleaner shots. Some of those goals were awkward bounces that I doubt most goalies would have had.
My “guess” is that Jack is seeing money go out the window every game and it’s spiraling. He has had crazy bad luck in some games. The team has not helped him in home plate. They compete every where except for the slot.
and he has been legitimately brutal in some games.
it’s all spiraling. He can’t catch a break. I think he gets it back before the end of the year. Ends up around 2.5 GAA and .915%.
His price went down. I think he doesn’t like uncertainty and it has snowballed. I wonder if dubas offered him a 2 X 3.5 if he would take it.
Contracts years effect tons of players.
Jack seems more mentally weak then most though. And he can’t get up from a straight butterfly. He seems to go into BF and then tuck his legs under to get back up. He plays like cujo but doesn’t have the big pads.
and he has been legitimately brutal in some games.
it’s all spiraling. He can’t catch a break. I think he gets it back before the end of the year. Ends up around 2.5 GAA and .915%.
His price went down. I think he doesn’t like uncertainty and it has snowballed. I wonder if dubas offered him a 2 X 3.5 if he would take it.
Contracts years effect tons of players.
Jack seems more mentally weak then most though. And he can’t get up from a straight butterfly. He seems to go into BF and then tuck his legs under to get back up. He plays like cujo but doesn’t have the big pads.
kevsh
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This organization eats goalies alive. At least over the past 20 years or so. Jack is just the latest.
His only salvation is to sign elsewhere this summer and he'll look like Hasek by comparison to what he is now.
As for the team, I don't see Dubas making a move here so the Leafs only hope is that Jack somehow manages to get back into a groove before the playoffs so his head is right going into what will be an enormously important and therefore massively stressful first round for this team.
His only salvation is to sign elsewhere this summer and he'll look like Hasek by comparison to what he is now.
As for the team, I don't see Dubas making a move here so the Leafs only hope is that Jack somehow manages to get back into a groove before the playoffs so his head is right going into what will be an enormously important and therefore massively stressful first round for this team.
In his last 16 starts he has a save percentage of .882, absolutely pathetic. His numbers are just as bad as the eye test.
Stephen
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I think most of the blame goes to Campbell and Mrazek, but some of it has to do with Keefe as well. If your goaltending department as a whole is struggling, maybe they can dedicate the next 2 week segment or whatever to more lockdown defense, with the following suggestions:
-Decide on your defense pairs based on a puck carrier/stopper logic with the personnel you have. And keep them together for the full 2 weeks and stabilize.
-Transition stuff before we're in a defensive posture:
-Stricter rules for puck management: don't leave pucks on those touch passes in the neutral zone.
-Yellow light for activating the point man offensively. Sometimes it's safer to concede the zone entry and defend the neutral zone than trying to jam a body down the sidewall only to have the opposition chip it out for an odd man rush with speed.
-Just put the D men on tighter rails positionally. There was one give and go play where Marner ended up taking a point shot with Rielly trying to tip the puck in the slot. Or when Lyubushkin started on the right point, crossed over, took a pass and somehow migrated into the left wing corner. If they're getting this scrambled up offensively, it doesn't put the Leafs on a firm footing when the game shifts back into their own zone.
-Dermott is not allowed to make head fakes, spin-o-rama's little shimmy plays when exiting his zone and fake shots.
Defensive posture:
-So often the goalies seem confused from where the shots are taken. Maybe there's some some work to be done establishing some ground rules how they want to see shots and what the defensive body positioning should be trying to when protecting the slot, what kind of rebounds the goalie wants to kick out and where.
-Protect the slot better. Lately it looks like a fire drill, but just calm it down, have a more structured box out and go back to the more defined roles with your static pairings.
-Decide on your defense pairs based on a puck carrier/stopper logic with the personnel you have. And keep them together for the full 2 weeks and stabilize.
-Transition stuff before we're in a defensive posture:
-Stricter rules for puck management: don't leave pucks on those touch passes in the neutral zone.
-Yellow light for activating the point man offensively. Sometimes it's safer to concede the zone entry and defend the neutral zone than trying to jam a body down the sidewall only to have the opposition chip it out for an odd man rush with speed.
-Just put the D men on tighter rails positionally. There was one give and go play where Marner ended up taking a point shot with Rielly trying to tip the puck in the slot. Or when Lyubushkin started on the right point, crossed over, took a pass and somehow migrated into the left wing corner. If they're getting this scrambled up offensively, it doesn't put the Leafs on a firm footing when the game shifts back into their own zone.
-Dermott is not allowed to make head fakes, spin-o-rama's little shimmy plays when exiting his zone and fake shots.
Defensive posture:
-So often the goalies seem confused from where the shots are taken. Maybe there's some some work to be done establishing some ground rules how they want to see shots and what the defensive body positioning should be trying to when protecting the slot, what kind of rebounds the goalie wants to kick out and where.
-Protect the slot better. Lately it looks like a fire drill, but just calm it down, have a more structured box out and go back to the more defined roles with your static pairings.
DarkKnight
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Also, goalies are supposed to bail out defensive errors, they do it all the time. That’s kind of the point of good goaltending.
Mess
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Thus we're getting bad goaltending regularly now.
Leaf Nation always had their doubts of Freddy in the playoffs in series ending games, but at least he was a proven #1 goaltender capable of playing 65 regular season games and performing at a level that gave a team a chance in the playoffs.
At this point in time there is little to no trust in either netminder that would suggest a long playoff run is in our future. IMO
We won't be facing any CBJ nor Montreal level of competition either in round #1.
Aashir
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For me the biggest problem is campbells consistency
he doesn’t have a B or even C game.
he has either A+ game or F game
it’s either a vezina game or an echl goalie. That’s what’s been the biggest difference between Campbell and other true starters. Campbell doesn’t have many .905-.920 games. He doesn’t have the average night. He either has 1-2 on 30+ shots or he has 5+ on 30+.
I’d rather have a goalie who plays great 2 games, bad 2 games, and average 6 games vs a goalie who plays great 4 games and bad 6 games. It gives us a chance in 8 games vs 4.
Campbells gotta have a middle ground because he is such a polarizing goalie right now
he doesn’t have a B or even C game.
he has either A+ game or F game
it’s either a vezina game or an echl goalie. That’s what’s been the biggest difference between Campbell and other true starters. Campbell doesn’t have many .905-.920 games. He doesn’t have the average night. He either has 1-2 on 30+ shots or he has 5+ on 30+.
I’d rather have a goalie who plays great 2 games, bad 2 games, and average 6 games vs a goalie who plays great 4 games and bad 6 games. It gives us a chance in 8 games vs 4.
Campbells gotta have a middle ground because he is such a polarizing goalie right now
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Who's shaking their head now after I said trade him 2 months ago for a haul?? Yup who trades their Vezina contending goaltender? Answer: one who sells high. LOL. SMHMA.
You may be right, right now.
But you could also look sillly in 2-3 weeks time.
I'm annoyed like everyone at the goalie sitch. But I won't be buring anyone at the stake just yet. Gonna see how this season/playoffs play out.
DraftSchmaft
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This is why you don't build a team off emotion. Chased him out of town because we were salty over some elimination game losses. Now we might not even make it that far into the series.
Carolina's 5v5 xGA is absolute trash. Fred is a good goalie. He's not being carried by his team. It's mutual carrying.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
You are 100% correct but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Love Soup but history said he was never as good as he was prior to COVID but here's hoping he regains his game. If it is a mental thing I hope he can conquer it.
Hoglund4MvP
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Hoglund dont know what xGA abc 123 mean, but understand enough to know fred win vezina for sure this year if he had Leafs abc 5v5
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Last year we had to watch Kadri light it up in the playoffs until he got suspended. This year we might have to do the save for Freddy until he let's in a sticker in game #7 of the ECF. LOL.
A1LeafNation
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Jimmy Firecracker
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He can take a f***ing hike honestly if this level of play keeps up.
People keep going to this line but keep forgetting that Imoo was going to be the AHL goaltending coach, not the Leafs. Jack would still have Brier in his ear giving him whatever shit advice leads to all goalies under him going to shit.
Ha, maybe... but I am not signing him until I see some signs of life. If he keeps playing like this for the rest of the season, we clearly walk away.
I am not sure I have ever seen a goalie hit such hights and lows in the same season for such prolonged periods.
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