Which of these 2 Russian prospects will end up being the better player and be a star in the NHL one day?
Ivan Demidov vs Ivan Ryabkin
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I’m not sure how you expect that anyone will give you a meaningful answer. Neither has played in the NHL. Demidov has played just a handful of games in the KHL. The graph that the other user posted above is about the best insight you’re going to get. It’s up to you how much you want to read into it. Based on the graph, it appears that Ryabkin is better than Demidov was at 16. There’s not much else to glean from it.
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Those stats don't make sense to me when looking at their point totals. Ryabkin, for example, had 58 pts in 44 mhl games in his 16 year old season. That's higher than 1 ppg.
For me Ryabkin looks like a forward that doing a lot of things great, but I don't know if he's gonna be elite at anything?
Ok. This is the proper one for the players 16 year old MHL seasons. Here is the accompanying data.
| GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | |
| Ivan Ryabkin | 44 | 24 | 34 | 58 | 1.32 |
| Matvei Michkov | 56 | 38 | 18 | 56 | 1.00 |
| Danil But | 49 | 17 | 27 | 44 | 0.90 |
| Ivan Demidov | 25 | 10 | 11 | 21 | 0.84 |
| Yegor Surin | 48 | 12 | 19 | 31 | 0.65 |
| Igor Chernyshov | 18 | 7 | 4 | 11 | 0.61 |
| Alexander Rykov | 38 | 10 | 12 | 22 | 0.58 |
| Roman Kantserov | 47 | 10 | 11 | 21 | 0.45 |
| Nikita Artamonov | 5 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0.40 |
Yeah, but Ryabkin was 8 months older than Michkov and Demidov. It was his 16/17 yo season vs 15/16 yo seasons of both Michkov and Demidov.
FrankMTL
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And Demidov had 62 points in 41 games in the 2022-2023 season which is technically his 16 year old season (he turned 17 in December).
He should have just compared the Draft -1 seasons and made it easier.
Sometimes the difference between D and D-1 can be just a couple of months which is nothing. 8 months on the other hand is something.
FrankMTL
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I re-did this quickly, but this would be their stats in the MHL in their D-1 season (so 16-17 year old season).
It's the easiest way to compare.
| GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | |
| Ivan Ryabkin | 44 | 24 | 34 | 58 | 1.32 |
| Matvei Michkov | 22 | 22 | 16 | 38 | 1.71 |
| Danil But | 49 | 17 | 27 | 44 | 0.90 |
| Ivan Demidov | 41 | 19 | 43 | 62 | 1.51 |
| Yegor Surin | 48 | 12 | 19 | 31 | 0.65 |
| Igor Chernyshov | 38 | 18 | 20 | 38 | 1.00 |
| Alexander Rykov | 38 | 10 | 12 | 22 | 0.58 |
| Roman Kantserov | 55 | 29 | 28 | 57 | 1.03 |
| Nikita Artamonov | 46 | 12 | 20 | 32 | 0.70 |
That's why I find it easier comparing something like their D-1 season. I mean it's not perfect as some players are born in November of one year and other in July of the next, but at least it's their same year in terms of draft eligibility.
The September 15 cutoff date only applies for the NHL draft. One of my sons is born in November 2013. He's playing with and against kids born in 2012 and 2013 January 1 through December 31. The next year he's with kids born in 2013 and 2014 January through December. Those 2013 born kids are who he gets compared to while he's growing up. Two of my other sons are born before September 15 but they're playing against players born January 1 through December 31
Let's say the Russian team is allowed back into the 2025 world juniors. Can Michkov play this year because he's born in December? No he can't because the NHL draft has nothing to do with WJC age groups.
FrankMTL
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I still find it easier to compare NHL draft years as it makes more sense and is closer to reality, but to each his own...
Ryabkin AINEC, look at these highlights! Ryabkin is #12.
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Of course it's Ryabkin now that Demidov has that Bleu blanc rouge stench on him.
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Why does it make more sense? Easier perhaps but not convinced it makes more sense.
One day I need one of the analytics nerds to see what is more correlated - birth year or draft year. My guess is it’s birth year as that’s how the kids are evaluated and measured their entire careers…until you get to the NHL draft and the cutoff date moves 3 1/2 months.
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