Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL): Part III - IN SASHA ORLOV WE TRUST

[Redux91]

He's not a winner I'm afraid, clearly couldn't get it done when it counted unfortunately.

Maybe he will get there but he needs another 3-4 years in Russia to figure it out.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

That's exactly what I suggested 2 days ago.
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Demidov sounds more and more like a no brainer to me.

Give Demidov the best available center on the team and watch the magic operates. It will be huge for his NHL development.

I don’t think they’ll mess with that first line. Plus they have pretty big responsibilities match up wise. I’m sure they’ll shelter him.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

Just for amusement sake: If SKA terminates the contract, I know that 100% of fans would want Demidov over. But if playoff games count for the 10 games minimum ELC slide, does Habs brass do it? They can't just end his season in the second round once he reaches 10 games...

I really don't care about the burnt ELC year. KH has shown he's been able to take advantage of signing players after their rookie year to a decent long term contract using this strategy. Yes the player cashes in faster, but odds are they haven't had the time to fully explode yet which means a potentially better long term deal for the team. It's a win-win, if he's free to join the team, it's not even crossing my mind.

 

[Prairie Habs]

For a while it has sounded like Demidov would be kept until the last second of his contract, but Nikishin would be released to go play for Carolina. With coach nepo-baby saying he thinks both should stay, is it possible neither get released? Could be pretty important for whoever gets the second wildcard spot if they beat the caps in round one.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Just for amusement sake: If SKA terminates the contract, I know that 100% of fans would want Demidov over. But if playoff games count for the 10 games minimum ELC slide, does Habs brass do it? They can't just end his season in the second round once he reaches 10 games...

Absolutely they’d want him to come over. There’s injuries and he could be a factor not unlike Caufield in the Cup run.

I’m not scared of any team in the East. Are you?

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

For a while it has sounded like Demidov would be kept until the last second of his contract, but Nikishin would be released to go play for Carolina. With coach nepo-baby saying he thinks both should stay, is it possible neither get released? Could be pretty important for whoever gets the second wildcard spot if they beat the caps in round one.

Or it means both can go, if he just ‘prefers’ it.

If there was no chance Demidov couldn’t come over I don’t think he’d be saying he’d prefer him to stay. Unless that’s just a bad translation.

 

[Natey]

Just for amusement sake: If SKA terminates the contract, I know that 100% of fans would want Demidov over. But if playoff games count for the 10 games minimum ELC slide, does Habs brass do it? They can't just end his season in the second round once he reaches 10 games...

I'm pretty sure they don't count. Montreal would want to burn a year if they could anyway.

 

[salbutera]

I'm expecting them to send him to VHL or MHL to join the SKA affiliates for their playoffs. I'm not expecting him to be released early to join Montreal. But man would that not be amazing if he comes over.

In his presser, Rotenberg mentioned that it would be better for Demidov and Nikishin to stay in Russia. However, regarding Nikishin, there was a report that there was an agreement they would release him early to join Carolina.

 

[skidcells]

I see lots of people think we can get Demidov to play with us for the rest of the season. I suggest you come to realize that’s not how SKA works. They won’t release him a day before his contract ends. Even then they will make his life hard.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Obviously rotenberg can say nothing except they’d rather he stays and it’s best if he stays

His ELC will be announced this week, bookmark this post

 

[morhilane]

Roman Rotenberg: in my opinion, Nikishin and Demidov should stay in Russia, in SKA.
He says they have a lot of mistakes, and we believe them, but they will send them to the AHL.
He gives the example of Podkolzin.
Roman Rotenberg: NHL club owners call players and say: come, any money
Roman Rotenberg: Ivan Demidov? I don't know about Montreal - he is an SKA player

Nikishin, in the AHL? He's going straight to Carolina 1st D pair.

Also, rich of Rotten saying Demidov shouldn't come in NA because he would end up in the AHL when there are rumors he's going to send him in even lower league than that now.

He's right about the "he is an SKA player" thought. He currently is, by contract.

 

[Team_Spirit]

I see lots of people think we can get Demidov to play with us for the rest of the season. I suggest you come to realize that’s not how SKA works. They won’t release him a day before his contract ends. Even then they will make his life hard.

Explain this then;

Live from YUL (E5)

 

[Justin11]

Obviously rotenberg can say nothing except they’d rather he stays and it’s best if he stays

His ELC will be announced this week, bookmark this post

Done. Bookmarked.
BTW, Hope it becomes true.

 

[salbutera]

I see lots of people think we can get Demidov to play with us for the rest of the season. I suggest you come to realize that’s not how SKA works. They won’t release him a day before his contract ends. Even then they will make his life hard.

Rottenberg is about to be shitcanned by the State run team, because their lack of success is a $$ drain. One of his best arguments remaining when he meets the SKA board tomorrow is to say he can net some of the lost revenue back via “selling two of their players to NHL teams by letting them out of contracts set to expire in 6-weeks”

Hughes trip in Jan included understanding “what it would take to get Demigod released out of his contract upon completion of SKA season”…

 

[BergevinBurner]

Obviously rotenberg can say nothing except they’d rather he stays and it’s best if he stays

His ELC will be announced this week, bookmark this post

I hope that's the case, but we'll see.
I'm not sure how much sway Rotenberg has in the matter anyways, that'd be like St. Louis commenting on the future of a UFA with the team, ultimately that's out of his control.

The only thing giving me hope is if SKA management knows Demidov is gone regardless, maybe they'll see some value in being courteous with the Habs organization.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

I see lots of people think we can get Demidov to play with us for the rest of the season. I suggest you come to realize that’s not how SKA works. They won’t release him a day before his contract ends. Even then they will make his life hard.

Oh thank you for the update, I'm guessing you are part of SKA management right?

 

[Leto]

Just for amusement sake: If SKA terminates the contract, I know that 100% of fans would want Demidov over. But if playoff games count for the 10 games minimum ELC slide, does Habs brass do it? They can't just end his season in the second round once he reaches 10 games...

PO games do count for an ELC. Bringing him and potentially burning a year is not a big deal. You integrate him and have him for a playoff ride. This isn't the Bergevin era Habs where they would try to ''make him a better person'' and nickel-and-dime him. Fostering goodwill toward our biggest prospect will go a long way.

If SKA doesn't release him, that's OK. We drafted him knowing that was the deal. One thing is clear, he'll be here next season.​

 

[Leto]

I'm pretty sure they don't count. Montreal would want to burn a year if they could anyway.

''Players may play up to 10 NHL games in a season (including playoffs) and be still be eligible to slide. As soon as they play 10 games, their contract starts and can no longer slide. ''

https://puckpedia.com/entry-level-slides

 

[HuGo Sham]

"It'd be Better For Demidov to Stay in Russia": Ivan Demidov’s Future Remains Unclear After SKA’s Playoff Exit

Ivan Demidov’s future will be decided in the coming days following SKA’s playoff exit — most likely, he’ll join the MHL rather than head to Montreal

rg.org

 

[CaptnNemo]

Ovi : ''Yo Vlad now that I have that goal record..Do me a favor and let that SKA Demidov kid join the Canadiens.

There's a good chance we play them in first round and would like to see the kid on ice live!

Cmon Vlad do me one buddy!!''

 

[Maitz]

I agree that Demidov will be the play driver on his line. Suzuki is also a play driver and Caufield, this season, has been more of that.

Laine is not a play driver, but he whacks the puck with a driver for his one-timers.

Those fearing that, somehow, Demidov will be harmed by playing with Laine don't understand how useful a sniper like Laine can be for a premier playmaker like Demidov who also has a knack at drawing opposing defenders towards him.

This will free up Laine in his office to take shots on net.

The 2C is the key and Bo Horvat would be the ideal Center:

SCOUTING REPORT

Has grown into a shutdown center capable of making big contributions even when he is not generating a lot of offense. In addition, he has gotten much better at driving play--even when starting shifts in the defensive zone. He skates well and is among the NHL's best face-off men, meaning his team ends up with the puck more often than not. Is also a team leader who can play a lot of minutes at a high level.

Long Range Potential: Quality two-way center and leader.

Strong skater, good in the dot, solid as a shutdown C (insulation for Laine), able to be a secondary option as a play driver.

Precisely what Demidov and Laine need as a C.

Old Man Lou needs to get fired and the Isles need to start rebuilding.

They'd likely keep Barzal (signed to 6 more years) at 27 and move on more easily from Horvat (also signed for 6 more years) who just turned 30 yesterday.

Montreal would likely have to cough up Hage and at least one of their first round picks in 2025, a young up and coming D like Mailloux or Engström and a young, near NHL ready 3C prospect from Beck or Kapanen. Adding the PIT 2nd round pick in 2025 wouldn't hurt.

For 6 years of Horvat at 8.5M, Montreal would likely need to trade:

Mailloux
One of Beck or Kapanen
Michael Hage (1st round pick from 2024, 22nd OA)
CAL 1st round pick from 2025
PIT 2nd round pick from 2025

Might seem like a lot of futures, including a couple about to start playing NHL hockey, but why else would the Isles be willing to trade Horvat?

Would you do it for Horvat ages 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 and 35?

I would, considering we would likely be in a Cup window three years from now with Horvat and Demidov in the lineup up front, plus Reinbacher in the lineup on the back end.

Next year, a lineup of:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsly
Laine - Horvát - Demidov
Newhook - Beck/kapanen - Heineman
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Guhle - Hutson
Matheson - Carrier
Xhekaj/Struble - Reinbacher

...would be a huge upgrade over this year's roster.

Horvat would be a terrible trade for that package, the guy has had his share of injuries and that contract will be terrible in 2 years from now. I would not target Horvat as our 2nd line center. I think you can have way more than Horvat for 1st, 2nd , Hage, Beck

 

[Vachon23]

who want to take a bet with me, 10$ wired that he will join mtl before his contract ends

like seriously why would SKA send him to junior just to have one more month of trying to conveince him, if he says planely im going to the NHL then they would be best to accept 1M buyout rather than nothing after may 31

im confident it will work out within the next 2 weeks

I’m taking that bet

 

[Boyon90]

I’m taking that bet

which side are you betting on

 

[Vachon23]

which side are you betting on

He’s not coming

 

[CaptnNemo]

who want to take a bet with me, 10$ wired that he will join mtl before his contract ends

like seriously why would SKA send him to junior just to have one more month of trying to conveince him, if he says planely im going to the NHL then they would be best to accept 1M buyout rather than nothing after may 31

im confident it will work out within the next 2 weeks

I agree with you!

There's no way he rots over there for the next 50 days or so.

He's absolutely coming over sooner than later.

At worse he joins us in the 3rd round.