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Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL): Part III - IN SASHA ORLOV WE TRUST

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yianik said:
If Im Demi, first chance ti get out of Russia I have tickets for my whole family and gone. Rottenburger and Russia, just get out.
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He’s Russian and by all accounts has no problem with his nationality or ethnicity. Why would he want to take his family “out”?

It’s pretty easy to respect our star prospect’s identity.
 
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I understand giving Demidov the best environment to thrive, though, as, in my opinion, Demidov is a potential franchise forward and you don't want waste that type of player's potential.

The same is being applied to Slafkovsky by playing him on a line with Caufield and Suzuki, but Demidov is an even better player than Slafkovsky.

Does that mean that Demidov doesn't need as good a C as Slafkovsky forms learning curve? Maybe not?

How about Slafkovsky - Suzuki- Demidov? I actually like the idea of Slafkovsky returning to his natural side with a C we all know to be good (finally).

Caufield has been more of a play driver this season and, with the right C, like Horvat, as an example, a line of Caufield - Horvat - Laine could create fireworks with goal scoring coming from all angles on a line with three confirmed 30+ goal scorers!

Slafkovsky (20) - Suzuki (30) - Demidov (25)
Caufield (30) - Horvat (30) - Laine (30)

165 goals from the top-6 would be awesome!
 
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Scriptor said:
I understand giving Demidov the best environment to thrive, though, as, in my opinion, Demidov is a potential franchise forward and you don't want waste that type of player's potential.

The same is being applied to Slafkovsky by playing him on a line with Caufield and Suzuki, but Demidov is an even better player than Slafkovsky.

Does that mean that Demidov doesn't need as good a C as Slafkovsky forms learning curve? Maybe not?

How about Slafkovsky - Suzuki- Demidov? I actually like the idea of Slafkovsky returning to his natural side with a C we all know to be good (finally).

Caufield has been more of a play driver this season and, with the right C, like Horvat, as an example, a line of Caufield - Horvat - Laine could create fireworks with goal scoring coming from all angles on a line with three confirmed 30+ goal scorers!

Slafkovsky (20) - Suzuki (30) - Demidov (25)
Caufield (30) - Horvat (30) - Laine (30)

165 goals from the top-6 would be awesome!
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I like Horvat as a player, hate his contract. 8.5 per til 2031. Probably pass.
 
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ExReHabs said:
He’s Russian and by all accounts has no problem with his nationality or ethnicity. Why would he want to take his family “out”?

It’s pretty easy to respect our star prospect’s identity.
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Has nothing to do with that. Has everything to do with this Rottenburger clown who has done about everything to mess around with Demi. My understanding is Rottenburger is connected to high people and maybe Im being over the top, but I just want our star 2be where his psycho coach cant cause him anymore trouble.
 
yianik said:
Has nothing to do with that. Has everything to do with this Rottenburger clown who has done about everything to mess around with Demi. My understanding is Rottenburger is connected to high people and maybe Im being over the top, but I just want our star 2be where his psycho coach cant cause him anymore trouble.
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Imagine what rookies would say when sent to MTL with Toenails and Sly?
 
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Dagistitsyn said:
I like Horvat as a player, hate his contract. 8.5 per til 2031. Probably pass.
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I’d typically agree with this, but with cap projected to go up significantly over the next few years I don’t think it would be a problem.

The cap is supposed to go to $95.5 million in 2025-26, $104 million in ’26-27 and $113.5 million in ’27-28.

With Suzuki (2030), Caufield (2031), Slafkovsky (2033), and Guhle (2031) already signed to long term deals they’ll have plenty of cap room in the back half of Horvat’s contract if his play falls off.

If Montreal spends to the cap in 2027-28 and beyond I think it’ll give them a significant advantage over other team, because I don’t think as many teams will going forward.

A line of Laine-Horvat-Demidov would give Montreal two top lines starting next season and shifts Newhook to the third line to create a third scoring line.
 
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No More Subban said:
Suzuki is so good, every top 6 winger needs him to be productive. I'm hoping Demidov can drive his own line so they don't have to depend on Suzuki all the time.
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Suzuki has been incredible. But our top 6 should not need him to be productive. Our problem is that he's our only offensive center. That's a real problem because we're going to waste a lot of talent on the wings. We need to have a second option there. Moreover, Suzuki is the one player right now that we can't afford to lose. We simply don't have anyone who can step in and do a reasonable job at 2nd line center - let alone first.

With a viable 2nd line center, we have way more options. Caufield should be able to carry a line with a decent center and some help. It's going to be interesting to see how things shake out. I might be tempted to put Demidov with Suzuki and Caufield. Give him our two best forwards to develop with.
 
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Junohockeyfan said:
Demidov would have some advantages of playing on 2nd line. He wouldn’t face the toughest competition. The opponents will focus on Suzuki.
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That might change quickly after a few highlight goals from Demidov.

Refusing Horvát because he is signed to 8.5M clearly doesn't show a grasp of the Cap going forward. Spending an extra 1M or 2M on a quality, all around Center like Horvat for the position of 2C is the spot where you overpay, not a 3rd or 4th line player.

11M for Hutson, 11M for Demidov, 8.5M for Horvat, 7.875M for Suzuki, 7.85M for Caufield, 7.6M for Slafkovsky, 7M for Laine (new deal), 5.5M for Guhle, 5.5M for Reinbacher = 9 core players for 71.825M.

The G tandem, at that point, shouldn't cost more than 8.175M for a total of 80M on 11 core players.

33.5M for 12 players to round out the roster. Consider that lesser players will all benefit from playing with this talented core. The team is so young, you could even ride with a 21-man roster; 13 forwards, 6 D and 2 Gs, so 33.5M for ten players, or a 3.35M average per player.

Quite doable, and with talented depth to boot if you have a few ELC players, or cheap veterans on board.
 
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That might change quickly after a few highlight goals from Demidov.

Refusing Horvát because he is signed to 8.5M clearly doesn't show a grasp of the Cap going forward. Spending an extra 1M or 2M on a quality, all around Center like Horvat for the position of 2C is the spot where you overpay, not a 3rd or 4th line player.
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I agree regarding Horvat. It's a position they need to address and Horvat would be real good. He's only 30 so he still has a bunch of years of effective hockey. He's a responsible center, he's real good in the face-off circle. If Newhook is the 3C, that means that Habs will have two right-shooting centers (Suzuki & Evans) and two left-shooting centers (Horvat & Newhook).

He's been a 50+ point player and has also had two 60+ point seasons. He is a guy who can get you 20+ goals and has had a few 30+ goal seasons.

There can be other options for 2C, but Horvat is someone I'd be real comfortable trading for. For one, it will be a legit center for Demidov to play with. And secondly, it will be the first time Suzuki has a legit 2C who can seriously alleviate his workload.

Also, Horvat can play PP and PK.
 
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