Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[SlafySZN]

Sounds like we have too many good centers already. You know he can play all positions right?

He doesnt have to be THE missing piece like you say, just a piece of the equation. We don't have anything close to this guy in the pipeline, 6f4 beasts don't grow on tree and usually don't wanna play here.

We just have two that plays here, Dach and Slafkovsky.

 

[Belial]

We just have two that plays here, Dach and Slafkovsky.

Three is better than two!

 

[SlafySZN]

Three is better than two!

Yeah so let’s draft Musty or Daniil But

 

[Belial]

Yeah so let’s draft Musty or Daniil But

You can never have enough of these big bois that can play hockey.

I'd take PLD on this team any day of the week.

 

[Sorinth]

But that is exactly the point , they match and keep him but can’t trade him until free agency . So he holds that power


You are correct , the last thing the jets want is an offer sheet , and especially a cheap offer is even worst . Lower return if you don’t match and nothing if you do at the deadline .
The negotiator in me think that fear is what will propulsé a reasonable trade this off-season .

They can just take him to arbitration and that prevents any offer sheets from being made.

 

[tazsub3]

But if he wants out then it makes no sense for him to sign an offer sheet.

except if they dont want to trade him now and want to wait till deadline, that is his leverage, Sometimes the threat of a consequence is more powerful then act itself

They can just take him to arbitration and that prevents any offer sheets from being made.

you are correct, but they also have a fragile cap situation, and arbitration might blow out of the door.
Love this situation, there is a lot of possibilites and they all make sense. hahahah...
Can we just be done with the stanley cup and let one of those 2 shitty teams win so we can get on with the fun

 

[Belial]

except if they dont want to trade him now and want to wait till deadline, that is his leverage, Sometimes the threat of a consequence is more powerful then act itself

If I were him I would definitely take this route and probably find myself on a team that's going for the cup after the TDL and then reach UFA status anyway... Rather than sign an offer sheet and have to play the whole year in a place I'm not happy.

 

[tazsub3]

If I were him I would definitely take this route and probably find myself on a team that's going for the cup after the TDL and then reach UFA status anyway... Rather than sign an offer sheet and have to play the whole year in a place I'm not happy.

cant argue with any opinion, they all valid . thats what makes it fun to follow

 

[Belial]

@tazsub3 Too bad the Panthers went on a crazy run as I think a mid-first-rounder + a decent prospect would've been enough to get Dubois during the summer.

Now that pick is so late that they would probably get more at the TDL...

 

[Sorinth]

except if they dont want to trade him now and want to wait till deadline, that is his leverage, Sometimes the threat of a consequence is more powerful then act itself


you are correct, but they also have a fragile cap situation, and arbitration might blow out of the door.
Love this situation, there is a lot of possibilites and they all make sense. hahahah...
Can we just be done with the stanley cup and let one of those 2 shitty teams win so we can get on with the fun

The main point of going to arbitration is to buy time for a trade. The final number if it gets to arbitration doesn't matter much since the goal is to trade him as a rental at that point.

 

[Belial]

They can just take him to arbitration and that prevents any offer sheets from being made.

How exactly can they take him to arbitration if he's not asking for more than what he's due?

 

[HABitual Fan]

An offer sheet signed and then matched would mean the Jets can't trade him this year.............resulting in him walking for nothing..........nada, zipp..............
Trust me, the Jets do not want to hear about an offer sheet. Total disaster....

They will take him to arbitration before he comes close to being able to sign an offer sheet. Even if it means paying him a couple of Million more than his QO, still better than losing him for nothing

 

[Sorinth]

How exactly can they take him to arbitration if he's not asking for more than what he's due?

Teams can take a player to arbitration once in their careers.

 

[Belial]

Teams can take a player to arbitration once in their careers.

Yeah, if there's a conflict in negotiations...

 

[HABitual Fan]

Yeah, if there's a conflict in negotiations...

If he really wants UFA and to make coin, he signs his QO. Arbitration would put a value on his worth and might hurt him in UFA negotiations.

 

[Belial]

If he really wants UFA and to make coin, he signs his QO. Arbitration would put a value on his worth and might hurt him in UFA negotiations.

That's not what you guys tried to say a couple of posts ago lol

He just has to accept his QO, that's 6M$ and no arbitration talk is available.

 

[HABitual Fan]

That's not what you guys tried to say a couple of posts ago lol

He just has to accept his QO, that's 6M$ and no arbitration talk is available.

No, we were discussing if he is a risk to get an offer sheet and the answer to that is no. Winnipeg would go to arbitration before that could happen if he asks for even $1 more than his QO. He would be dumb to risk being taken to arbitration. How can you ask for say 8M as a UFA if a year prior an arbitrator decided you are a 6.5M player?

 

[HuGort]

Like to see Dubois here. Maybe trade 5 with Detroit get 9 + 17? Trade 17 for Dubois? At 9 take either Leonard, Rainbacker or Moore. I think we better with Dubois and Leonard type than Benson or Smith at 5.

 

[Sorinth]

How exactly can they take him to arbitration if he's not asking for more than what he's due?

By filling the paperwork with the NHL.

 

[Belial]

By filling the paperwork with the NHL.

What's your cause for arbitration buddy?

 

[Sorinth]

What's your cause for arbitration buddy?

Please point out in the CBA where it says you need one.

 

[Belial]

Please point out in the CBA where it says you need one.

What are you arbitrating? There has to be something to arbitrate no?

 

[Belial]

No, we were discussing if he is a risk to get an offer sheet and the answer to that is no. Winnipeg would go to arbitration before that could happen if he asks for even $1 more than his QO. He would be dumb to risk being taken to arbitration. How can you ask for say 8M as a UFA if a year prior an arbitrator decided you are a 6.5M player?

He wouldn't sign an offer sheet knowing Winterpeg can match.

He will just sign his QO once again and reach his UFA status.

 

[bobholly39]

I really don't get our board's obsession with this player.

163 pages? He has a career high of 63 points.

If you combine his last 2 seasons - he is 94th across the NHL for ppg.

A very large majority of fans on here are always mocking and criticizing the Habs organization for only hiring french speaking coaches/gms, or for targeting french speaking players when possible. Yet here we are - 163 pages worth of discussion of an average player who isn't even ours, just because he expressed interest in maybe playing here one day.

 

[JadedRandom]

He wouldn't sign an offer sheet knowing Winterpeg can match.

He will just sign his QO once again and reach his UFA status.

I agree that Dubois won't sign an offersheet, unless it is for one year.

But no team will look to give him the money he'd be worth on an offersheet with the corresponding loss of a 1st-round pick+ potentially, and the fact that Dubois could leave after that one year due to reaching UFA status for '24-'25.

The only potential way to abuse the fact that Dubois is eligible for an offersheet (after season but only until July 5th if he refuses to sign his QO, before team-elected arbitration protection would apply*) would be for a team like Montreal, which would be looking to extend him after the one year deal, to sign him to a one-year offersheet.

The scenario that would most screw-over Winnipeg and won't happen, as it would be both humanly and financially dumb of Dubois to do so, would be for him to sign a one year, sub-$1.386M offersheet.

In that scenario, the Jets get nothing back for Dubois if they let him go because of compensation thresholds. But if they match the offersheet, they also now can't trade him for a year afterwards, which leads straight to UFA.

It would be truly "Get rekt Winnipeg! time", but fortunately extremely unrealistic.

Now, back to more realistic matters, as for Dubois' QO, I think he would be smart not to sign it when it inevitably is tendered by Winnipeg this Summer. And the reason is that if he refuses to sign it and gets taken to arbitration, the corresponding award by the arbitrator should be plain higher than the $6M that this QO would entitle him to.

Meaning that Dubois could theoretically make more money than the $6M of his QO next year thanks to arbitration AND still be in line for full UFA status for 2024.

It just seems like a no-brainer, smart business decision to me. And also way less disrespectful than the highly toxic, pure hyperbole "Get rekt Winnipeg!" scenario.



* More on that here:
HOW SALARY ARBITRATION WORKS IN THE NHL - Beyond the Playbook